RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
September 23, 2015 at 7:45 pm
(This post was last modified: September 23, 2015 at 8:33 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 23, 2015 at 7:09 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I'm not saying that to refute materialism. I'm using it to say there cannot be any sensible process by which even scientific inquiry can establish that materialism is foundational to reality. If you want to use the exact same argument about idealism, then I'd agree, but I've already explained why I would take idealism as the default position anyway.Yes, you did...and that reason is/was an explicit invocation of a fallacy of composition.
Quote:Yes. I know that the materialist position relies on evidence, and I'm showing that that foundation is non sequitur. The observations you make do not, and cannot, arrive at a materialist world view, unless you've already assumed that your observations say more than they do. It's a toxic term, but I guess I have to float it here: begging the question.What claim am I making? Only that you've stolen a concept in order to support your default composition fallacy. Understand? I don't -know- whether or not we live in a metaphysically material world. I only know that if we don't..it behaves as though it is. I'm not trying to establish the ultimate truth of reality here, how likely do you think it would be for me to do so on these boards? I'm attempting to explain the problems with your stated line of reasoning. It's not an issue of whether or not either is true...you're being unreasonable.
If some proposition x (in this case QM/QFT) is untrue...then it's truth cannot be evidence or a sound premise upon which to make further claims. If you feel that materialism is untrue...you don't get QM or QFT. That mind, your only means of considering any proposition is "made of ideas" -if it is in the first place-..or that you have no means available in your estimation -except- ideas..would be no indication as to what the universe is made of. What is true of a part may not be true of the whole.
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