RE: Objectifying women
July 17, 2010 at 12:18 am
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2010 at 12:18 am by tavarish.)
(July 16, 2010 at 4:01 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: If you really have to go there, then I have to point out that Saerule's gender is female, but not her sex. There's a difference.
Which is relevant...how?
(July 16, 2010 at 4:01 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: Furthermore, if you really really want to go there, notice how women tend to be the victims and men tend to be the perpetrators.
Which means?
(July 16, 2010 at 3:18 pm)tavarish Wrote: Would I be blaming the victim of a car accident if I told them to put on a seatbelt?
(July 16, 2010 at 4:01 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: Seatbelts don't cause or prevent car accidents. Your analogy is irrelevant.
Seatbelts protect you in case of a car accident. They diffuse the situation, much like a weapon would in an attack situation. This is safeguarding - not only trying to prevent the car accident by driving properly, but being prepared when and if something does happen.
Do you understand now?
(July 16, 2010 at 3:18 pm)tavarish Wrote: I never said rape happens predominantly with scantily clad women, nor did I say wearing revealing clothes is an open invitation for harm. I said that wearing clothing may increase attention, both good and bad, and women who wear revealing clothing should be aware of this at the very least. That's it. Be fucking aware of your surroundings when you're the center of attention. My comment is geared towards the same thing we've been talking about for nearly 40 pages now - common sense.
Why the conversation turned to victim blaming, us v them mentality, and emotionally charged straw men is something I'll never quite understand.
(July 16, 2010 at 4:01 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: Yeah, no. So woman who are not wearing scantily clad clothing should not be aware?
Whoa, you got me there. That's exactly what I said.
My initial statement still stands. You guys are putting words in mouths like you're going for a high score.
All women should be aware at all times. However, women who wear revealing clothing should also be aware that they're the center of attention, and with added exposure comes added risk, as well as reward. Is that clear enough?
(July 16, 2010 at 4:01 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: Where are the statistics that show a woman's clothing has a strong correlation to rape victims?
Where did I say that there is? Can you please link me to anywhere where I did say this?
(July 16, 2010 at 4:01 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: Your common sense is flawed, I'm sorry you can't see it.
Being aware of your surroundings is flawed? Please explain.
For someone who pledged to stay out of this thread, you sure did come back and restate some of your arguments with no real resolution in the matter. I suppose that's a positive thing, since it shows that you're persistent, but it doesn't add anything to your assertions. Emotionally charged straw men are nonetheless straw men driven by emotion.
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