(November 15, 2015 at 6:12 pm)ronedee Wrote:(November 14, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Finally, if Jesus himself is so great and the OT is just a metaphor, why does Jesus expressly uphold all OT law? Why does he say that calling people "fool" puts you in danger of hellfire, but then turn around and call various people fools throughout the gospels? Why does he condone and reinforce slavery? Should we really be emulating this guy?
Jesus concurred with God the Father that men do [not] do God's Will. So, how are we to sort through the myriad of doctrine? With the Holy Spirit! But, how do men as yourself, listen to God, when all you hear is yourself? Jesus stressed the Law, specifically the Ten Commandments. And God, as Our Father! That is sufficient to me as a summary of the OT. I don't need anymore info. As far as the NT? There are over 26,000 manuscripts that were scrutinized and compared to each other over the millennia. If that isn't proof reading, I don't know what is? There is no other publication that has had as much scrutiny... and to this day!
Jesus said. "The Kingdom is within." Look and ye shall find. Ask and the door will be open to you." Where do I personally come into this? Or men in general? Nowhere. All I am is a witness to actually looking and finding God. But not in any way or manner that will find Him for you. Just a witness to the truth of God. That is all.
As I mentioned to the op, we are here for the "human experience", and to do God's will. That is to: "Love one another, as He has Loved us." You and the others say that He hasn't loved us because all He does is cause/let pain & suffering happen. To me? The GIFT of Life itself is worth way more than any amount of suffering here on Earth! If the "promise" is true, as I believe? No amount of any adversity will matter to me. NOTHING!
Unfortunately, none of that makes any sense to people like you. I accept that fact. I'm not trying to change you at all. Quite the contrary! I'm here for my own selfish reasons. To strengthen my own Faith. I look to ONE of you to topple my Faith in some intelligent fashion. It hasn't happened. But, I will keep searching for that person or persons to put doubt about God in my mind. So far? Zilch, nada... nothing!
btw..... thanks for your intelligent question & civil response to me! Ron
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What I've bolded here is pretty much the lynchpin of your argument concerning the OT, and I'm hoping you realize that it revolves around willful ignorance. How much of the Old Testament have you read? There's a reason your theology revolves around mostly ignoring it, whether your realize it or not; Jehovah condones and performs horrendous atrocities throughout the Old Testament. There is nothing kind, loving, or patient about the god of the Jews. He is vengeful, short-tempered, jealous, murderous, and rapacious, and the texts and practices concerning him are barbaric and self-contradictory.
Furthermore, you still seem to be ignoring various things about the New Testament, like the entire rest of my post that you left out of your quote and failed to respond to, opting instead to barf up more word salad and then openly admit that you're only here to prove how good you are at letting arguments bounce of your indoctrinated skull. I'd thank you for your honesty, but faith is still one of the most intellectually dishonest positions it's possible to hold.
Besides everything I already mentioned, the New Testament is a continuation of the doctrine that your supposedly all-knowing, all-loving Gaud simply cannot forgive even the most minimal offense without spilling blood and ending life of humans and/or animals, but mostly humans. According to your own Bible, no being in the Universe has a more evident disregard for human life than Gaud does.
If demonstrating the scientific fallaciousness, archaic barbarism, and myriad contradictions of your holy text isn't something you would consider an intelligent refutation of the claim that your Gaud is anything but the tragic invention of a fistful of bronze-age savages, then I submit that you are not here for an open or intelligent discussion; you are only here to demonstrate how good you are at ignoring what's said to you and declaring your faith.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
