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As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 25, 2012 at 2:50 pm
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When you guys were christian, how did you handle the incongruities of the Tower of Babel story?
You know..
Heaven is in the sky and that bronze age men built a tower super high. God was afraid that mankind might sneak into heaven.
All of mankind spoke one language before the tower building and all known languages were created immediately proceeding the tiff.
Where the h*ll is the Tower?
How high could it have really been? If it was only 3 or 4 stories high, why would god have cared when he supposedly knew that in about four thousand more years mankind would make it beyond the moon.
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 25, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Just one of many bullshit stories that made me question the whole scam.
I was 11 when that happened, btw.
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 25, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Eaven as a child........... I didn`t give a fuck.
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 25, 2012 at 3:54 pm
(November 25, 2012 at 2:50 pm)Brakeman Wrote: When you guys were christian, how did you handle the incongruities of the Tower of Babel story?
You know..
Heaven is in the sky and that bronze age men built a tower super high. The bible never says how high the tower Got.
Quote:God was afraid that mankind might sneak into heaven.
This was not the reason God confused the languages of man. It was man's goal to build a tower into heaven. God's actions was not to prevent this tower, but the collberation of all men, and what He saw man accomplishing because of this 'colaberation.' Gen 11:6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. 7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
God's efforts had nothing to do with Him worrying about man 'seeking into heaven."
Quote:Where the h*ll is the Tower?
The remains are where the men of bable left it.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there.
Quote:How high could it have really been?
The bible does not say.
Quote: If it was only 3 or 4 stories high, why would god have cared when he supposedly knew that in about four thousand more years mankind would make it beyond the moon.
Because God knew that given the drive and purpose of man we would have developed faster than we should have. He felt the need to slow us down a little.
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 25, 2012 at 3:58 pm
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Just another fantastical tale urging the duped not to fuck with god, or to explain something that the author couldn't.
It was one of the first of such tales that made me react with a big ol' "WTF"!!
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 25, 2012 at 4:00 pm
(November 25, 2012 at 3:54 pm)Drich Wrote: This was not the reason God confused the languages of man. It was man's goal to build a tower into heaven. God's actions was not to prevent this tower, but the collberation of all men, and what He saw man accomplishing because of this 'colaberation.' Gen 11:6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. 7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
"the collaberation of all men"???
working together? being a civilisation? is the UN a defiance of gods will? and will diplomats go to hell?
the washiest kind of nonsence phrase, am i glad i never heard such stuff as a child. but then, just like now, i probably wouldnt have given a fuck.
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 25, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Too bad that isn't how languages evolve, Drich. Although I know the 'E' word is a dirty one for you. ;3
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 25, 2012 at 4:27 pm
God was pissed off about the Tower and knocked it down, but has sat by quietly as we have attempted and successfully surpassed it a million times over.
The Babel story is a prime example of how religion is opposed to human achievement.
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 26, 2012 at 12:18 am
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(November 25, 2012 at 3:54 pm)Drich Wrote: (November 25, 2012 at 2:50 pm)Brakeman Wrote: God was afraid that mankind might sneak into heaven. This was not the reason God confused the languages of man. It was man's goal to build a tower into heaven. God's actions was not to prevent this tower, but the collberation of all men, and what He saw man accomplishing because of this 'colaberation.' Gen 11:6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. 7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
God's efforts had nothing to do with Him worrying about man 'seeking into heaven." So said god as told to DRICH. We call this SPAG. It means "self projection as god."
In the NIV version:
5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
If a bunch of kids were trying to build a tower to reach up onto your roof, and you did something to scuttle their plans by splitting them up and then said that " I had to split these kids apart because together they can accomplish anything they set their sight to", then it is obvious to any non brain dead member of the human race that you were referring to the kids being able to have reached their original objective.
Furthermore, god came down from the heavens, which by the way, is the opposite direction the tower was going up. This also leads credence to the bible author believing that heaven was in the sky and the target for the tower.
Why does god use the plural form here? why does he say "Come, let us go down?"
(November 25, 2012 at 3:54 pm)Drich Wrote: (November 25, 2012 at 2:50 pm)Brakeman Wrote: If it was only 3 or 4 stories high, why would god have cared when he supposedly knew that in about four thousand more years mankind would make it beyond the moon. Because God knew that given the drive and purpose of man we would have developed faster than we should have. He felt the need to slow us down a little. I wasn't aware that there was a set speed for mankind's development. Do you have any reference for this or is this just more SPAG?
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 26, 2012 at 1:16 am
Quote:The Babel story is a prime example of how religion is opposed to human achievement.
The Babel story is a prime example of how religion offends human intelligence!
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