(January 18, 2016 at 8:55 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: First Allah [swt] hasn't determined everything per my belief. For example, he is yet to know the patient and those who strive hard among people, although there are some people who he knew very well their path and hence chose them as Prophets and Guides because of the test in a previous world.
Second of Allah [swt] works with the system as is. I pray for example that we find solutions to the problems we are facing in the world like the problems I learned about in political science ( I studied it for two years in university).
I pray to Allah [swt] as is. And I pray that he works through his chosen Guide and his friends, in ways that will help bring peace to the world and stability.
And I pray for guidance, will power, and sight seeing power, and other stuff.
I don't pray for God to act in a way that goes against the way of the system he has put in place.
No sorry, you are moving the goal posts.
I'd say if you are going to assign the attribute of "all powerful" you can very easily being all powerful determine everything before it happens and make it happen that way. And the act of praying defies any sense of trust you claim to have in this alleged being. If you claim your god knows what he is doing, why are you making any attempt to beg for a change in that plan?
MK Muslims are also not the only ones who fail to consider the broken logic of this "all powerful" God. We have the same objections when Christians and Jews make the same arguments.
Now the reality, and I really do wish you would consider it. Is that you are not defending a real being, but looking for reasons to cling to bad claims. The logic simply is not there for you to make it work the way you want it to.
You are fishing for excuses to cling to what you want to be true.
"Jesus has a plan" when a Christian prays also defies the idea of a plan on top of not really trusting this god Christians would claim is real.
If you assign "all powerful" to this claimed deity, there should be no reason for it to need humans help at all. The fact you even pray or make claims on it's behalf is a huge red flag that this god doesn't really exist. It is absurd to me to think of something "all powerful" to need a advertising department or public relations department. And just as absurd to think this being would need humans to beg to it just so this god can get attention for itself.