(January 19, 2016 at 12:22 pm)robvalue Wrote: I'm not offended Atlas, it's just that what you're saying makes no sense. If we have no free will, we are puppets who have been forced to experience events over which we have no control. I'm sure he gave himself good reasons when he had a meeting with himself.
Since God has all the power, he instantly wins anything he wants to win. I could be the MMA champion if I had magic powers to make anyone fall over on the floor unconscious just by thinking it. But it wouldn't be much of an accomplishment.
He made Satan too, and decided everything Satan would do. So Satan is just as much a puppet, and a scapegoat to make God feel better about all the suffering he planned.
Again I'm not offended, because none of this is real. It's just weird that you find this one sided Punch and Judy show something to marvel at. The more people try to explain God, the more he sounds like a prize cock.
I am "offended". Just not in a xenophobic bigoted way. The bad use of logic offends my reason, but as long as someone is non violent, their mere existence and making claims I don't find to be credible is a separate issue.
I wish humans worldwide would simply be brave in looking in the mirror and be unafraid to ask themselves "Is this really something true, that I need, or is it merely something I like?"
You ask a Buddhist if the religions of others are credible, they'll say the same thing a Christian or Muslim or Jew "They have the right to believe what they want". You ask a Christian the same thing "They have the right to believe what they want". You ask a Jew the same thing "They have the right to believe what they want".
Humans do not to a wide enough degree, understand the difference between the legal right to make any claim you want, and that is a given as it should be, and the separate issue of the ability to demonstrate the credibility of the position you hold to be true.
Religion assumes as a default position that it is true. Better logic is when you observe and collect data without assuming, compare and test and falsify with control groups, then hand your findings over for independent peer review.
Unless one is willing to take their personal bias out of it, and let the claim be put under scrutiny, it can only remain an opinion, it should never be considered a universal fact.
