If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?

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Way to miss the point. I didn't say it was against the law to like science, I wish more people did. I said it is independent of ALL religions it is not there to prop up any religion. You liking science does not make Allah real anymore than a Jew liking science makes Yahweh real anymore than a Hindu liking science makes Vishnu real.

"law of the universe", see you do the same thing Christians do. "Law" in science does not mean the same thing religious people like it to mean. "Law" is not a government written thing when it is used in the context of science. "Law" as used in science is a description of confirmed and tested observations that are consistent over long term data observation. 

And the "who" part, you make the same mistake too. You assume a cosmic magical "sky who" is some factory owner and we are his products. No, that is now how science views nature. Just like you already accept that Thor is not needed to explain why lightening happens. Just like you already accept you don't need Poseidon to be the cause of hurricanes.

It isn't a who that did all this, it was a non cognitive process, like how the seasons change and we have different weather every day. CONDITONS, not a who, a process, not a thinking being. 

It can be viewed like riding in a giant weather pattern and we are simply a manifestation of those events. The problem you are stuck with that all god claimers are still suffer from "which god", and the problem of infinite regress.

So the simplest solution is to know if you are are right are to ask yourself, not me, but yourself, the following. Which to you seems to be more likely?

1. A god exists?

Or

2. Humans make them up and merely like the idea?

Now you already reject lots of other god claims and I would say rightfully so. You don't buy Thor as being real. You don't buy Vishnu as being real. You don't buy Yahweh as being real, and while you share some of the same characters you dont see Jesus as being the one true way to heaven.

The only difference between you and me, is that I reject one more god claim than you do. When you can aim your own skepticism that you used to reject other god claims, besides your own, at your own claim, then maybe you can see where the atheist is coming from.

My conclusion about Thor -that he doesn't exist- is coming from the bold red underlines that I put under Norse mythology. The story of creation and the story of the Norse idols  -just like Greek mythology- are just full of gaps & contradictions.

Yes, others may claim that their idols the the real deal, but it all comes down to what the deity had to present. If the religion is contradicting to itself from the inside, then that's how we know it's false.

In order for science to be accurate, it must be materialistic to the core. Science discuss the method of creation; faith and belief just make your head hardwired like that : and actually, it can't be disproved unless somebody travel back in time, and see how the universe began. 

For your question : I can't trust the origin of the thought either -existence of God-. Did humanity create it, or was it a reality, that got twisted in many places to produce hundreds of different religions ?

The latter brother.

Be giving and selfless in all you do with mercy and humility. Be strong in what you know on an innermost level through the selfless conscience. The weighty things placed on your heart that motivate/shame/ teach you through honest introspection and selfless direction by the will of GOD are placed there by the Holy Spirit for the sake of all, and resides dormant/ asleep in most.

God formed everything. All is of IT to some degree. Core scriptures; Qur'an, Torah, New Covenant, Bhagavad Gita, Book of Enoch, the writings of the church fathers, (look towards the Druze, who suffer now, in this day), the writings of the Bahia Faith.

There is a creative force that made the actual observable laws that all of physical existence and spiritual adheres to without waver by God's will. We are the ones being tested, for our sake and the sake of existence. The hell that we exhibit here on earth will end as sin is ended. Most will tell you it will be horrid and violent.

I say, by God's will and mercy, and our full Faith in our direction of God, we can end greed(sin)as a whole and look to universal prosperity that can't even fully be contemplated at this time.

One Creator GOD is obvious and evident to any who truly look with their heart and soul. As is the very direction of life.

Once people actually start to realize the peaceful unity that is possible through the simple, unadulterated core scriptures of the faithful unto GOD, then we might be able to see the potential through the direction of all given by GOD.

People may say peace can be achieved on a personal level without God. This in itself is greed as it exudes no desire to want to benefit existence as a whole, and rather focus on an individual bubble. It is faulty in doing such. What worth is one momentary life, if not to the benefit and help the advancement of peaceable life as a whole for all, equally and exponentially in comparison to ones own selfish gratifications.

Thanks is to GOD with humility and praise.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.