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If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
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RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
(January 21, 2016 at 7:20 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(January 21, 2016 at 4:17 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Please try getting this through your head. EVERY religion argues the same thing. 

"Allah Is all Knowing"
"The God of Jesus is All Knowing"
"Yahweh of The Jews is ALL Knowing"

"But with Allah's mercy"
"But with Jesus's mercy"
"But with Yahweh's mercy"

"Allah has plans"
"Jesus has plans"
"Yahweh has plans"

And so what. Humans invent god claims. It was understandable back then when humans didn't know any better. Islam is a spin off of Christianity. Christianity is a spin off of Hebrew/Jewish. Hebrew/Jewish is a spin off of Canaanite polytheism. It is all made up, there never was a god.

Now again, what fails with the "Omni=All" argument, "All seeing, All knowing, All powerful, and All loving", does not work for any of the three religions. If these claimed three god claims have "a plan", you defy your trust in his plan by asking for help, if you trust this claimed being knows what he is doing, then you shouldn't have to ask for help or act as his salesman or public relations department. By selling your book and god, and by praying, you are admitting without realizing it, that you don't believe he can do the job without your help.

"free will" is a cop out argument. It does not work when Christians or Muslims or Jews do it. This isn't a fallible mere mortal according to any of these religions. This is someone according to them, that has the absolute power to prevent harm to all humans all the time if it wanted to. Are you going to be stupid and try to claim that an "all powerful" and "all loving god" would sit and watch year after year and watch 50 million humans die worldwide every year? That is the average number of deaths worldwide in every nation, dying from everything humans can die from, young, teen, young adult, middle age and old. They die in childbirth, childhood disease, and every age can and does die from disease, famine, natural disaster, accident, crime and war. 

50 million a year worldwide. That is half a billion deaths in a decade, and 1 billion every 20 years. You have the nerve to tell me 1 billion people all of them deserved it, or that this is all part of a perfect plan? I was born at night, just not last night.
One thing u have to try to understand is, we all as creatures have to die. There is no way around it. Now I'm not sure how all other religions view this but in Islam we believe ur fate is sealed. What I mean by this is whenever we die that is where and when we are supposed to die. There is no " I was just at the wrong place at the wrong time". There is a story told about a man who fell off of a building and a strong wind blew him back after falling some floors. The man then left the building went outside and while crossing the street was hit by a bus and killed. Point of the story is the man was not supposed to die from falling from the building, but supposed to die at the exact point and time he was hit by the bus. Yes death is a tough issue to deal with, but as Allah says in the Qur'an He made it a commonality between us as humans. So Allah knows exactly when and where we are going to die. We don't. So possibly Allah tests us with death. For instance a man dies from a religious family who loved him so much. After he died is the family going to accept Allah's will and still be religious and have faith, or are they gonna give up their faith because Allah took the life of the best person they loved so much? Or another example. A man plans on robbing someone at gunpoint. Now the person he is robbing is going to die after the robbery, whether he is shot or not. Allah knows this but the robber doesn't. So Is this man going to continue with the robbery which could take this innocent person's life by shooting them or is he going to back off, forget about doing wrong, avoid the robbery and let that person die naturally by the will of Allah? Or a drunk driver kills a person crossing the street. Now of course Allah knew that person was gonna die then but the driver didn't. So possibly they were being tested, on drinking, and ended up taking someones life. There could be an entire dictionary full of scenarios we could list. So we as humans do not know how we're to be tested by Allah, by ourselves or amongst each other. We do know we all as humans will die. But we don't know what plan or situation Allah has for us. That's why we should always try to do what's right. Because we never know if we are gonna be that driver or if we are gonna be the one crossing the street. In either case u don't want to have previously done something that u shouldn't have done, and not been forgiven for.

First off, at a minimum, please try to break up your giant wall of text, it makes it easier for people to read.

Secondly we do not need to go past the first sentence.

QUOTE YOU "One thing u have to try to understand is, we all as creatures have to die. There is no way around it"

No kidding, and I absolutely agree. Everyone dies. But so do cockroaches and bacteria and snakes and insects and plants and fish, and your pets and alligators, all life dies. Do you fear the pre life of a cockroach? Do you fear the afterlife of a jellyfish? 

Yes humans die, and so does all life. So? What you are doing is falling for an appeal to emotion. Bad shit happens so fear it. Why? Nobody likes having bad things happen to them, but they do. That doesn't mean there is a magical sky hero battling a magical ground arch rival of the sky hero battling over the neurons in your brain.

Bad shit happens? Yep, but lots of good things happen too. But there no god of the gaps answer needed to explain either good or bad.
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Messages In This Thread
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 21, 2016 at 8:46 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 21, 2016 at 9:22 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 21, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by Brian37 - January 22, 2016 at 12:22 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 23, 2016 at 7:44 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 25, 2016 at 6:57 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 25, 2016 at 5:12 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 23, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 30, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 31, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 1, 2016 at 6:50 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 2, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 3, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 3, 2016 at 5:36 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 4, 2016 at 6:13 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 1, 2016 at 8:44 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 29, 2016 at 8:42 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 29, 2016 at 8:33 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 30, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 30, 2016 at 5:36 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 4, 2016 at 6:25 pm

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