If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?

[Brian37]

Hello McFLY!

Christians and Muslims and Jews and Hindus ALL ALL ALL make the same arguments. I know you like what you believe. I also know you really want it to be true. I don't doubt your sincerity when you say you believe what you claim. I do doubt you really know what you do using bad logic in leading yourself to needlessly come to such bad conclusions.

"My Bible says"
"My Koran says"
"My Torah says"
"My Vedas say"
"My Dali Lama says"

"Christianity is popular"
"Islam is popular"
"Jewish is popular"
"Buddhism is popular"
"Hinduism is popular"

"I point to the bible for miracles"
"I point to the Koran for miracles"
"I point to Jewish scriptures for miracles"
"I point to Buddha for for miracles"
"I point to the Hindu Vedas for miracles"

"Jesus says we have free will"
"Allah says we have free will"
"Yahweh says we have free will"
"Buddha says we have free will"
"The Vedas say we have free will"

And they ALL like what they believe. Still not a matter of human rights. It is still a matter of EVIDENCE.  Which no human has ever produced about any religion or god claim.  7 billion humans make 100s of thousands of different god claims, and so what. If anyone had universal evidence they'd have a Nobel Prize in science and could beat everyone to the patent office.

I am NOT treating you any differently than I would any other person with a different religion or god claim. Get in line, take a number.

OK Tannen. Lol. I understand ur views on this but u haven't answered either of my questions. How many instances of a particular matter do u have to see in order to be a fact and not just a coincidence? Also how many facts have to be shown to u in order for u to believe it as true?

Again, you liking an old book only means you like that old book. Calling it a fact only means you like believing it to be fact. So what, Christians and Jews and Hindus also find "facts" in their religions too.

"Facts" in a unbias universal neutral setting have NOTHING to do with personal bias. YOU are the one suffering from selection bias and sample rate error. Dont feel bad, all religions suffer from use of bad logic.


Good logic does not start with presuming what you personally like. Good logic works like this.

Collect data through observation=plug data into established formula with control groups= repeat for decent sample rate=write down your findings=hand your findings over to independent peers to see if they can replicate your data and method. If they can, you are onto something. If they cannot, then you need to check your work for errors and start over.

Religious logic IN ALL RELIGIONS is bad logic.

"I like what I believe=pick a book and deity= therefore I am right"

If you cannot check your personal bias at the door you are not being objective.