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If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
(January 25, 2016 at 9:39 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: Well I've mentioned the numerous miracles of the Qur'an.

Mentioning something is not the same as showing it to be true. For example I can mention that I've been instrumental for Limerick winning all their nine All Ireland titles (7 hurling, two football) which if you check is an obvious untruth. Until you show evidence for these "miracles" and show that they cannot have a mundane explanation, your boast of quranic miracles is as truthful as my boast of sporting prowess.

Quote:But first off I know we as humans were created by someone who is obviously a higher being than we are.

No you don't, what you are doing is taking the unevidenced assertion of the quran as truth, while disregarding the masses of evidence which indicate otherwise.

Quote:So with just for example some of the astronomical knowledge of our universe, listed in the Qur'an. Whoever's words these are placed in a scripture in the 7th century, when telescopes, satellites, computers etc didn't yet exist, and these words describe exactly what is happening in our universe today, over 1,400 years later, which we can and have verified and confirmed as true due to our technology, This tells me that someone, who put these words together is the One who created us all. So He is the One, alone I worship.

But your problem here is that every "scientific fact predicted by the quran" has two problems before being able to pass a truth test. First of all, every single claim to this effect is a (1,400 year past due) post hoc explanation of those verses. They were not flagged as "scientific predicitons" until after scientists came along and discovered the things the verses were supposed to predict. If they were truly predictive then people would have said something along the lines "because of what the quran says we should expect to see (to pluck a random example which I don't think is actually in the quran) x amount of moons around Saturn" and then go out and find that the statement is true. You cannot find something to exist, and then go back and say "this old book predicted it" after the event. Second, like the various christian "prophecies" (e.g. Nostradamus, or for an Irish version, Malachy) the verses are worded so vaguely that you could almost point to any major event in the world and say "Mohammed predicted that". When a piece of literature is so vaguely worded that it can point to two mutually exclusive events, then it has no predictive power.

Quote:See Allah gives us free will to believe and accept His guidance or disbelieve and reject Him.

But if allah is all powerful as islam asserts, then he cannot give us free will, as to have other actors than allah with independent action means that he is not all powerful. So what is it all powerful with no free will, or powerless with free will?

Quote:But with His mercy He doesn't just say "believe in my word" He also gives us many examples that support and prove His word as true, that we as people can verify even further than people before our time.

[citation needed]

Quote:Same thing when telescopes and microscopes were invented before our time. People used these inventions and were able to see that whoever put the Qur'an into effect knew exactly what they were talking about. And in the 7th century, when no human had this knowledge, this word could only come from our creator Allah Almighty

As I've demonstrated above, this last bit is nothing more than grade a porcine excrement. Sheed your god is nothing more than the leavings of a pig.
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RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 21, 2016 at 8:46 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 21, 2016 at 9:22 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 21, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 23, 2016 at 7:44 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 25, 2016 at 6:57 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 25, 2016 at 5:12 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 23, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 30, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 31, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 1, 2016 at 6:50 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 2, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 3, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 3, 2016 at 5:36 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 4, 2016 at 6:13 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 1, 2016 at 8:44 am
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 29, 2016 at 8:42 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 29, 2016 at 8:33 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 30, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - January 30, 2016 at 5:36 pm
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by GUBU - February 4, 2016 at 6:25 pm

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