(February 3, 2016 at 5:36 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:(February 3, 2016 at 4:25 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: It's all good partner. I just thought I'd make the offer to show u some things that stand out. In the matter of the atomic number of iron. I'm not sure if it was u or someone else on this site I showed it to, but whoever it was said the Qur'an simply copied the information about iron and its atomic number. So I pose a question that has yet to be answered. How does the Qur'an copy something when the Qur'an was revealed in the 7th century and the thing that is said it is copying from was not revealed until the 20th century, or 1300 years later? So in a nutshell. The Qur'an came first over 1300 years before mankind came up with the information about the atomic number. So my point being just because man didn't know about it then doesn't mean it didn't exist. For example the planet Venus has always taken 243 days to revolve around the sun, and on a 177 degree angle. Now, people didn't know this in the 7th century, but it was still happening. And guess, what it is listed in the Qur'an as one of the miracles. Just as ch.16 is the honeybee in the Qur'an. People of the 7th century didn't know honeybees have 16 chromosomes. But they do now just as they did in the 7th century. Point being that a higher being who knew these things, because He created them that way, made it possible for us as humans today with our science and technology that He has blessed us with, to verify and confirm as true, what people had absolutely no knowledge of in the 7th century. This showing the Qur'an and all of the knowledge and information did not come from a human being but from God Almighty Allah alone.
No you still haven't shown a single scientific prediction in the quran. What you have done is shown a number of futile, idiotic attempts by a number of clerics to retrofit science into their holy book after proper use of the scientific method discovered them. If what you show were scientific facts in the quran, you'd be able to show, 10th-13th century scholars praising allah for revealing those truths. The scholars are deafening in their silence.
Also Venus hasn't always orbited in the same way it does now, for example before and during the early solar system there was no Venus to do the orbiting. Also over long periods, the solar system is a chaotic system, meaning we cannot predict with accuracy wht it will be doing long into the future, nor what it did long ago.
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I understand what you are saying, but be careful with your examples because they take that to mean "SEE SEE SEE, you just said science is predictive, but now you admit you don't know".
You have to talk about science in terms of data. You have to take in terms of not "either/or" which is what theism teaches them. You have to talk in terms of CONDITIONS and BOTH, chaos and order overlapping depending on POINT OF VIEW.
Like I said before, we know the conditions that cause a hurricane. Just like we know the conditions now that lead to the formation if Venus. When they first noticed Venus they were not wrong about it existing, they simply had to correct and update the data, it still does not negate the tools they used for the initial discovery.
The chaos of the universe does not negate the order in it. We know the CONDITIONS that lead to certain events just like we say "scattered thunderstorm" is still accurate in a weather forecast.
It's just like the difference between classical Newtonian physics vs Quantum physics. Newtonian physics is still used today to make things, but it simply isn't useful at the quantum level. Just like a wooden horse buggy wheel is still a wheel, but you couldn't apply it to a modern Lamborghini.
But you are absolutely right, that the Quran is not a science text book. Neither is the Bible or Vedas. When any religion starts trying to square science with their books of myth, they are working backwords after the fact. Those books do not have predictive powers like science does.
