RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
February 3, 2016 at 8:30 pm
(This post was last modified: February 3, 2016 at 8:36 pm by Brian37.)
(February 3, 2016 at 7:56 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:(February 3, 2016 at 7:10 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: a. They didn't know then as we do now, about the chromosomes; b. it's only half true; the drones only have 16 chromosomes, but females, workers and the queen of each colony, have a full 32.So u agree there is truth in this then?
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(February 3, 2016 at 5:36 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: No you still haven't shown a single scientific prediction in the quran. What you have done is shown a number of futile, idiotic attempts by a number of clerics to retrofit science into their holy book after proper use of the scientific method discovered them. If what you show were scientific facts in the quran, you'd be able to show, 10th-13th century scholars praising allah for revealing those truths. The scholars are deafening in their silence.Well is it possible that from the time of the 7th century when it was first listed in the Qur'an, that Venus was following the same pattern as it is today?
Also Venus hasn't always orbited in the same way it does now, for example before and during the early solar system there was no Venus to do the orbiting. Also over long periods, the solar system is a chaotic system, meaning we cannot predict with accuracy wht it will be doing long into the future, nor what it did long ago.
Not the way it works.
Humans ability to make discoveries has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with religion. Humans have been making discoveries throughout our species history worldwide and even independently. There is nothing in the Quran that demonstrates the slightest lick of modern scientific understanding. If the
You do not understand the difference between when a scientist uses numbers, and when a holy writing of ANY religion uses numbers. One is based on observation, which is due to scientific method. And there are the numbers used in holy writings to over conflate an idea to draw the reader in.
Newton had his own personal beliefs about his "god", but you are not a Christian. And while he got classical physics right, he also postulated "alchemy" for a while which was an idea that was dead wrong. But Newton was wise enough to give up on "alchemy" and even with that bad guess, he still was not making that to point to Christianity. And he was willing to scrap bad claims.
So when you point to the Quran you are not starting from a position of knowledge, you are fishing for excuses to cling to the past.
This is even the same bad logic fans of si fi use. I've seen fans of both Star Trek and the movie "Back to the future" claim to be inventors of the flat screen TV. That is just entertainment too. The reason flat screen TVs exist is because of REAL labs and REAL scientists. I've even gone as far as pointing out the GIANT flat screen "tv" in the old Wizard Of Oz" movie.
I don't like this bad logic even when fans of a TV or Movie pull this.
The only place scientific method works is in REAL LABS. And since no holy book is a science textbook, they cannot be used like one. Holy books are NOT universal like scientific method is.
Artificial breeding of animals and plants was everywhere in antiquity, not just in Islam. And mapping out the stars was done all over the world independently. and even back then, nobody had any real clue as to what they were doing scientifically. Again, no holy book or religion of antiquity can replace scientific method, NONE. Not yours, not any.
Sometimes our species pattern seeking will allow us to stumble across a truth, but when that happens it is not due to religion but our NATURAL curiosity.