If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?

[Sheed1980]

In the matter of the atomic number of iron. I'm not sure if it was u or someone else on this site I showed it to, but whoever it was said the Qur'an simply copied the information about iron and its atomic number. So I pose a question that has yet to be answered. How does the Qur'an copy something when the Qur'an was revealed in the 7th century and the thing that is said it is copying from was not revealed until the 20th century, or 1300 years later? So in a nutshell. The Qur'an came first over 1300 years before mankind came up with the information about the atomic number. So my point being just because man didn't know about it then doesn't mean it didn't exist. For example the planet Venus has always taken 243 days to revolve around the sun, and on a 177 degree angle. Now, people didn't know this in the 7th century, but it was still happening. And guess, what it is listed in the Qur'an as one of the miracles. Just as ch.16 is the honeybee in the Qur'an. People of the 7th century didn't know honeybees have 16 chromosomes. But they do now just as they did in the 7th century. Point being that a higher being who knew these things, because He created them that way, made it possible for us as humans today with our science and technology that He has blessed us with, to verify and confirm as true, what people had absolutely no knowledge of in the 7th century. This showing the Qur'an and all of the knowledge and information did not come from a human being but from God Almighty Allah alone.

Whoever told you that this is because the Qur'an copied the info about iron and its atomic number is obviously wrong, and you explained why satisfactorily. However, the Qur'an does not state that the atomic number of iron is 26. You and/or your fellow apologists are making stuff up to make it look like that's what the Qur'an says, using really silly numerological ways that are just based on made up nonsense. It looks to me like your fellow apologists just randomly chose a number for each letter to make it all work in their favor. That doesn't seem very honest.

This goes for the Venus and honeybee chromosome ones as well. So what if the Nahl sura is 16? It's just the number for the surah itself. It has nothing to do with chromosomes, lol. Otherwise, the Baqarah sura should have been number 60 instead of 2 ... and not all bees have a count of 16 chromosomes each.

The point is there are many messages of understanding to grasp aside from God's original message in the verses. For instance the word moon is used throughout the entire Qur'an 27 times and the word for new moon is used only once. When added together they total 28 which is the exact number of phases of the moon as it orbits our planet. And the word for land is used 13 times and the word for sea 32 times totalling 45.13/45=28.8888889% and 32/45=71.111111% THE EXACT percentages of water and land that covers our Earth. So my point being God uses these miracles to show only He can create such a book. What man will write a verse that says "In a land close by" or from a land facing east" and over a 23 year period that the Qur'an was revealed, keep count of how many times he used the word land then make sure it fits perfectly in the equation of exactly how much water and land cover the Earth, especially when the man Prophet Muhammad pbuh was illiterate and in the 7th century when no human knew how much water and land was on Earth. So God shows through these miracles that only He has knowledge of things during that time period which He has blessed us to use todays science and math and confirm it as the truth

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How about ch.54 The Moon. The word for moon is only used in this chapter only once in verse 1. If u count the remaining verses to the end of the Qur'an u get 1390. The year 1390 in the Islamic Hijra calendar is the same as 1969 of our Gregorian calendar. We all know in 1969 man first set foot on the moon.

Why not count that first verse?  Because then you wouldn't have that coincidence.  See, that's arbitrarily choosing a number out of several options to make it fit.  That's retrofitting, not prophetic.

Anyway, I already told you that this is nothing but numerology and therefore meaningless.  It doesn't impress me.

U can wander blindly as much as u like. To u be ur way of belief and to me be mine