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Poll: Do think that the death penalty is ever appropriate?
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No, never.
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In very limited circumstances, such as multiple murders.
29.17%
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For murder alone with aggravating circumstances.
2.08%
1 2.08%
Any violent crime should be punished by death.
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Yes, as a common punishment for any serious crime.
4.17%
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Atheism & the Death Penalty.
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
(January 23, 2016 at 2:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(January 23, 2016 at 2:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Let everyone be subject to the higher authorities, for there exists no authority except from God, and those who exist have been appointed by God. Therefore he who resists the authority resists the ordinance of God and they that resist bring on themselves condemnation. For rulers are a terror not to the good work but to the evil. Dost thou wish, then, not to fear the authority? Do what is good and thou wilt have praise from it. For it is God's minister to thee for good. But if thou dost what is evil, fear, for not without reason does it carry the sword. For it is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who does evil. (Romans 13:1-4)

For an ex Catholic, you know very little about the Catholic Church if you think our Doctrinal teachings come straight from a literal interpretation of any bible passage. 

"Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.""

- The Catechism of the Catholic Church

First, the "traditional" teaching of the Catholic Church:


Quote:Even in the case of the death penalty the State does not dispose of the individual’s right to life. Rather public authority limits itself to depriving the offender of the good of life in expiation for his guilt, after he, through his crime, deprived himself of his own right to life. (Pius XII, Address to the First International Congress of Histopathology of the Nervous System, 14 September 1952, XIV, 328)

Remember, Pope John Paul II "changed his tune" with respect to his Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition (it should be on the front cover, if not, look inside.)  Here's the First Edition's "teachings" (emphasis mine):

Quote:2267. If bloodless means are sufficient to defend human lives against an aggressor and to protect public order and the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.


Now, the "updated" teachings (emphasis mine again):


Quote:2267. Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity with the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm — without definitively taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself — the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically non-existent.”

Welcome to "the Dark Side".   Angel
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Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 20, 2016 at 7:24 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Red_Wind - January 20, 2016 at 7:47 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by robvalue - January 20, 2016 at 8:21 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Alex K - January 20, 2016 at 8:26 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 20, 2016 at 8:38 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Little Rik - January 20, 2016 at 8:02 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 20, 2016 at 8:39 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by robvalue - January 20, 2016 at 8:09 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 20, 2016 at 8:45 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Longhorn - January 20, 2016 at 8:19 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by houseofcantor - January 20, 2016 at 8:40 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by tjakey - January 21, 2016 at 3:02 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Homeless Nutter - January 20, 2016 at 8:29 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by robvalue - January 20, 2016 at 8:30 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by robvalue - January 20, 2016 at 9:03 am
Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by LadyForCamus - January 20, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 20, 2016 at 8:16 pm
Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by LadyForCamus - January 20, 2016 at 1:09 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Reforged - January 20, 2016 at 1:13 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Ravenshire - January 21, 2016 at 1:09 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Reforged - January 21, 2016 at 1:13 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 21, 2016 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Reforged - January 21, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Ravenshire - January 21, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Reforged - January 21, 2016 at 3:05 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Ravenshire - January 21, 2016 at 4:19 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Reforged - January 21, 2016 at 5:34 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Ravenshire - January 21, 2016 at 5:42 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 22, 2016 at 8:42 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 22, 2016 at 9:20 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Reforged - January 22, 2016 at 3:02 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Ben Davis - January 21, 2016 at 10:13 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Chad32 - January 20, 2016 at 1:20 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by c172 - January 20, 2016 at 1:30 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jenny A - January 20, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by zebo-the-fat - January 20, 2016 at 1:50 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by robvalue - January 20, 2016 at 1:54 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Angrboda - January 20, 2016 at 2:36 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by robvalue - January 20, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Chad32 - January 20, 2016 at 2:01 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by robvalue - January 20, 2016 at 2:07 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Fidel_Castronaut - January 20, 2016 at 2:37 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Simon Moon - January 20, 2016 at 3:11 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Catholic_Lady - January 20, 2016 at 5:45 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 20, 2016 at 8:23 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Minimalist - January 20, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Catholic_Lady - January 20, 2016 at 6:00 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Chad32 - January 20, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Catholic_Lady - January 20, 2016 at 6:25 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Minimalist - January 20, 2016 at 6:02 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Catholic_Lady - January 20, 2016 at 6:23 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Minimalist - January 20, 2016 at 9:57 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Minimalist - January 20, 2016 at 9:59 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Chad32 - January 20, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 20, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by The Valkyrie - January 20, 2016 at 8:39 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 20, 2016 at 11:42 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 20, 2016 at 11:45 pm
Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by LadyForCamus - January 20, 2016 at 8:44 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 20, 2016 at 9:07 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 20, 2016 at 8:47 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Simon Moon - January 20, 2016 at 8:53 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 20, 2016 at 9:09 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Simon Moon - January 20, 2016 at 8:50 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Mermaid - January 20, 2016 at 9:12 pm
Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by LadyForCamus - January 20, 2016 at 9:25 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 20, 2016 at 10:58 pm
Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by LadyForCamus - January 20, 2016 at 11:08 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 21, 2016 at 12:04 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Minimalist - January 20, 2016 at 11:47 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 21, 2016 at 5:01 am
Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by LadyForCamus - January 21, 2016 at 9:52 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 21, 2016 at 10:21 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Iroscato - January 21, 2016 at 10:04 am
Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by LadyForCamus - January 21, 2016 at 10:22 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 21, 2016 at 11:30 am
Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by LadyForCamus - January 21, 2016 at 10:32 am
Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by LadyForCamus - January 21, 2016 at 10:33 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by MTL - January 21, 2016 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 21, 2016 at 12:21 pm
Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by LadyForCamus - January 21, 2016 at 12:12 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by ohreally - January 21, 2016 at 5:33 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by ErGingerbreadMandude - January 21, 2016 at 2:19 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Heat - January 22, 2016 at 3:18 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by SofaKingHigh - January 22, 2016 at 8:05 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 22, 2016 at 8:38 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 22, 2016 at 9:46 am
Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by LadyForCamus - January 22, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 22, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by account_inactive - January 22, 2016 at 1:14 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Excited Penguin - January 22, 2016 at 1:22 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Excited Penguin - January 22, 2016 at 6:10 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Catholic_Lady - January 22, 2016 at 11:04 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by brewer - January 22, 2016 at 7:23 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by The Grand Nudger - January 22, 2016 at 8:49 pm
Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by LadyForCamus - January 23, 2016 at 12:21 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Foxaèr - January 23, 2016 at 12:26 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by robvalue - January 23, 2016 at 6:59 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 23, 2016 at 11:01 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 23, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 23, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Excited Penguin - January 23, 2016 at 11:03 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Nay_Sayer - January 23, 2016 at 11:10 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Catholic_Lady - January 23, 2016 at 1:09 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 23, 2016 at 2:18 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Catholic_Lady - January 23, 2016 at 2:44 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 23, 2016 at 3:24 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Catholic_Lady - January 23, 2016 at 3:38 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 23, 2016 at 3:44 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Catholic_Lady - January 23, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 23, 2016 at 6:24 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Catholic_Lady - January 25, 2016 at 10:29 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Reforged - January 25, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Ben Davis - January 25, 2016 at 12:13 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Reforged - January 25, 2016 at 1:42 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 25, 2016 at 7:54 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by robvalue - January 23, 2016 at 3:05 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Vincent - January 23, 2016 at 4:46 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Spooky - January 24, 2016 at 4:28 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Jehanne - January 24, 2016 at 9:18 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 25, 2016 at 1:08 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Spooky - January 30, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 31, 2016 at 2:22 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Spooky - February 2, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 25, 2016 at 1:28 am
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Aegon - January 24, 2016 at 9:59 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Bob Kelso - January 24, 2016 at 11:25 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Catholic_Lady - January 25, 2016 at 3:24 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by phil-lndn - January 25, 2016 at 6:06 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Grandizer - January 25, 2016 at 8:26 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 25, 2016 at 9:15 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by phil-lndn - January 26, 2016 at 4:22 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 26, 2016 at 9:50 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Excited Penguin - January 25, 2016 at 10:28 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Angrboda - January 25, 2016 at 10:38 pm
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty. - by Ivan Denisovich - January 28, 2016 at 3:35 am

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