(January 29, 2016 at 10:02 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(January 29, 2016 at 1:55 am)Alex K Wrote: NDEs are NDEs, not DEs. They indicate nothing except that oxygen-starved brains do weird things.There is no evidence that any of that goes on "outside the brain". There is however, evidence that it doesn't
But our brains do weird things when we sleep, too. And yet when we wake up from a dream, we know it's a dream.
And that is what NDEs most likely are, hallucinations.
Quote:Staunch atheists don't turn Christians from having a dream.
As has been pointed out above, Mr Storm mischaracterises atheism, that means he was probably never an atheist.
Quote:Another thing is, why would people who are strong atheists be having dream like visions of God and Jesus in their heads when they are unconscious? And furthermore, why would they have dreams of God and Jesus being goodness and love? It seems that first of all, most atheists think that if God and Jesus do exist, they are evil anyway. Or at least uncaring.
We are heavily conditioned by our culture, even in the extremely unlikely event that Mr Storm were an atheist, I would not find it hard to believe that he hallucinated god. He has been culturally conditioned to think of the deity in christian terms.
Quote:Obviously, something happened to these people that made them change overnight in such a drastic way, from becoming atheists who hate religion to becoming Christians. That's huge, almost supernatural in itself. Can a mere "dream" do that? Could it do that to you?
Again, very few of these people were ever atheist. Most of them are lying in order to fleece the gullible. It makes for a better story when you are selling shit to fundies to pretend that you were an atheist "who saw the light". And these people will use every dirty trick their minds can think up of to fleece the gullible fundies.
Quote:Now, I'm not saying I believe all this. I have no dog in this fight. My faith does not rely on strangers' personal experiences, and some parts of this story kind of contradict my own beliefs. All I'm saying is the possibilities may be worth an objective look and some consideration. Because it is very strange indeed.
You shouldn't believe any of it until provided compelling evidence to. At the moment, without having any proper evidence, parsimony alone will tell you to disbelieve them. It is far easier to explain these "NDEs" as either hallucination or lies.
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