(March 12, 2016 at 5:09 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(March 12, 2016 at 4:16 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I cannot surprise Him, since I believe He is outside of time and knows the future.
His plan is for us to have free will, knowing that in the end, the good that comes from it will far outweigh the bad.
Does he not know what you will choose? Then that means his knowledge is limited. Does he know what you will choose? Then how can you violate his prescience?
That is the contradiction which arises when those beliefs are apposed.
The same is true if the future already exists. If the future already exists, then you cannot avoid that which is already in the future.
Yet I see many Atheists talk about time in the past, present, future all existing at the same time. As if that would refute the arguments for finite time and beginning of time in which it does not anyways but many say it all the time to obscure the issue.