(March 13, 2016 at 4:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(March 13, 2016 at 4:17 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: In other words mystic - Assuming "it's not the case in any possible world that it is good to torture an innocent being forever" to be true, like Jor said, is begging the question.
It's a premise that is not argued for. I was hoping (at that time, I didn't know you), you were one of those Atheists who believed in objective morality strongly.
I have a question though regarding that. Why all the comments on God allowing rape to happen...if you do not think it has been proven to be impossible that in some possible world it would be morally good to torture an innocent being forever and ever?
I don't understand so perhaps fill me in.
Because thanks to evolution, biology, and genetics, I feel empathy. Generally speaking (some exceptions apply), imagining someone being physically harmed or physically suffering, especially the young and/or vulnerable (as well as all animals) makes me feel bad. Because I can imagine how it would feel if it was happening to me. This should be the end of the entire discussion as far as I'm concerned. It's like Rob said, the term "objective morals" is meaningless for all practical purposes. We don't need to rename "empathy" with a woo-ish title that implies some metaphysical connotation that it in no way has earned.
Empathy drives most of us. Not all of us. And those who lack it usually end up breaking the laws put in place by the empathetic majority known as society. Is it perfect? Of course not. But it's certainly no worse than what any religious group has attempted. For fuck's sake, Christians alone can't even agree amongst themselves on what is "objectively morally right" let alone all the differences between multiple religious ideologies. But you have the nerve to try and call that "objective"?
The term is meaningless, Mystic. Do unto others, and figure it out from there. If I imagine someone being raped and don't reflexively feel bad about it, but rather look to the sky for some supernatural being to fill me in on whether or not I should feel bad about it, I might actually be a sociopath.
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Wiser words were never spoken.
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