(March 26, 2016 at 11:31 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(March 26, 2016 at 8:05 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Asserting that it still applies does not make it so. Since you have no respect for philosophy (word salad, as you say) then maybe you should refrain from engaging in it. In other words, better to be silent and thought the fool, than speak and provide proof.
What, do I need to lay it out for you?
Actually, I probably do.
The Euthypro Dilemma is what I've already been describing (though I didn't know it was called that until I looked it up), and it asks whether the gods love the pious because it's pious or whether it's pious because they love it. The immediate response is that all the gods might not agree, to which the response is that the pious is only that upon which all the gods agree.
Monotheism sidesteps that part of the issue entirely, since there's only one god to decide what's pious, so he always agrees with himself (theoretically). This actually simplifies the question, and when applied to philosophical monotheism, the question looks like this:
"Is what's morally good commanded by god because it's morally good, or is it morally good because god commands it?"
If it's the first, then objective morality might exist, but god is not the source of it. If it's the second, then we're talking Divine Command Theory, which isn't morality.
So yeah...your god doesn't escape this problem, and you've failed to show otherwise.
Thank you! [emoji106]
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