RE: Mind is the brain?
March 16, 2016 at 12:35 am
(This post was last modified: March 16, 2016 at 12:52 am by bennyboy.)
(March 15, 2016 at 1:46 pm)Rhythm Wrote:Too much metacommentary about me, and too few actual ideas.(March 15, 2016 at 1:38 pm)bennyboy Wrote:You won't be satisfied with my methods, as you are unsatisfied with sciencific methods, no matter how many assumptions are or aren't made, you've already set fire to the ground.
Nothing CAN show evidence of awareness, unless you've already taken the philosophical position that particular correlates may be said to correspond to awareness. Take any physical system in the universe, and ask if it experiences qualia. If you think it does, fine-- but how will you know? No matter how many assumptions you're willing to throw onto the pile, the fact is that your evidence is only valid in the context of the assumptions you are making.
Quote:Really? This is great. Tell me what exactly it is about the brain that allows a person to really experience qualia, rather than just seeming to. What, specifically, is it about the brain that allows for qualia?Are you running a clinic in bad logic? I tell you no material explanation of mind says "it;s in there, somewhere" and you ask for an exact explanation of mind....as though anyone had claimed it. What's that called, Benny? Is there a name for that type of response?
The plus side to the manner in which you discuss mind is that you never have to acknowledge that you're rationalizing. You can endlessly demand that others do this, or do that, regardless of the validity of the response..and no matter what they respond with...you've already set your escape route. After you;ve pulled that...you'll simply repeat the same questions until the retun of christ...as though they had never been addressed. It's tedious.
Look, dude, either you have an exact explanation, or you believe mind is "in there, somewhere." Something about the brain allows for a subjective agent capable of experiencing qualia, no? So whatever qualia are, you believe they are in/of the brain, despite a poor understanding of exactly how that works. Am I right or am I right? (Don't answer that, I already know the answer)
So my question is this: what ABOUT the brain, exactly allows for qualia? It's a reasonable and important question. There are some things which are unique to the brain, some which are unique to specific systems which process data in certain ways, and some things which involve the simple transmission of energy along routes. There are many many layers of function going on in the brain, and it's important for us to find out which of these allow for qualia. All I've done in this thread so far is to list some of the levels of processing that can be observed in the brain. There's nothing anti-science or anti-logic about that.