(May 17, 2016 at 5:15 am)Little Rik Wrote:(May 16, 2016 at 5:57 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: If we don't have bodies in the afterlife, then what are these near-death EXPERIENCES supposed to be experiences of? If you don't have a body, then you don't have eyes to see any white light, no ears to hear spirits telling you things, no mouth with which to respond, and no skin to feel warm or cold. It would seem that by your account, all these NDEs are nothing but imaginings. How is an NDE proof of anything if the accounts are wholly imaginary, complete hallucinations?
How would you hallucinate considering that your brain is 100% off and totally inactive as established by
doctors and neurosurgeons?
To hallucinate you need a brain that function or at least not completely dead so it is clear that the consciousness take over free from the constrain of body-mind.
The doctors generally don't 'establish' any such thing. Doctors pronounce someone as having 'died' on the basis of non-brain factors, like heart functioning. If the brain were truly 100% off, there would be nothing to come back to. Nearly dead is somewhat alive. Moreover, there is usually a period between such 'death' and coming back to consciousness when the brain is functional, but not awake. You have no way of knowing that the NDE did not occur in that window, so your claim that the experience happened when the brain was 100% off is hollow. According to an IANDS study, a third of NDEs occur outside life threatening situations. There's no way the brain is "100% off" in those cases.
(May 17, 2016 at 5:15 am)Little Rik Wrote: Not only that but as described by most people who had an NDE the consciousness is even more sharp
than when the body was alive.
Easy to imagine that.
When the body is alive the consciousness is stuck inside a body so there exist limitations in what the
consciousness can do but when is free from the body then it can function a lot better.
You're just making this up out of whole cloth. You have a theory, what's your support for it? The experience of an NDE is qualitatively different from that of waking consciousness. That in no way indicates an 'improvement', if anything, the brain's reduced capacity to distinguish between reality and visions could be seen as a degeneration.
(May 17, 2016 at 5:15 am)Little Rik Wrote: It is a dogma to think that we can not feel and perceive things like vision, sound, smell and all other feelings
without a body.
And yet here you are claiming that an NDEer cannot experience the sights and sounds of hell. Sight and sound are physical phenomena. If they can be perceived by a disembodied consciousness, what logical reason is there for supposing that it can't experience the sensation of physical pain?
(May 17, 2016 at 5:15 am)Little Rik Wrote: The consciousness is much more subtle and powerful than the physical senses.
What does this even mean? Consciousness and sensation are different types of phenomena. To compare the two and say that one is more subtle than the other is just a category error.