RE: Physical idealism
May 12, 2016 at 7:03 pm
(This post was last modified: May 12, 2016 at 7:26 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 12, 2016 at 6:59 pm)bennyboy Wrote: formal principles clearly precede materialism,I could only say that I'd stop you right here...again, lol. My concerns with your previous versions of idealism never had much to do with conscious entitities, and your expressing in this those things I was objecting to in those. Meh, it would be old ground between us. It doesn't matter to me whether you sound like you're appealing to deism, or even if you were. It only matters to me that you follow the word "clearly" - at the very start- with things that aren't at all clear in an effort to deny things that..if not entirely clear, are at least a hell of alot better evidenced and demonstrated.
Do you have any particular disagreement about limbs and digits..do you disagree that the other things we might turn to for a complete accounting or representation of a human body, particularly in the example -you- brought up.... are just as material as dna? If the only place that idealism comes into it is to agree with materialism in every explanation and particular and then simply -claim- the credit for all of that upon itself as being "under it"...I don't have the oomph in me to discuss such a non-statement, a phantom position- a long running stolen concept.
Let me put this another way, in your estimation....is the explanation for the number of fingers we have accounted for by genetic inheritance, bilateralism, and cellular division..or is all of that shit bunk...and the real reason we have five fingers is that there's an "idea of a hand" -said "idea" not at all being dependent upon or related to consciousness....somehow....and ofc not dependent upon dna, bilateralism, and cellular division?
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