(July 26, 2016 at 2:48 pm)Napoléon Wrote:(July 26, 2016 at 1:34 pm)Mathilda Wrote: To explain where I am coming from:
- Exceptionalism, they believe their race is superior
- Fiercely nationalistic
- Claim to be anti-establishment
- Right wing
- They deliberately appeal to the disenfranchised
- Yet are happy to also lie
- They demonise minorities
- They incite violence for political gain to the extent that the law allows
- Scape-goating of a foreign religions and immigrants
- They glorify the military
Seems like an association fallacy to me. Basically Reductio ad Hitlerum. Might be able to argue for Trump on a couple of these but UKIP is stretching it IMO. But hey, lumping anything right of centre into one big pot of racism seems to be the done thing so have at it.
So how else are you going to determine whether a movement is fascist if not by comparing their techniques and what they preach to known fascist movements? This is you basically in denial. Tell me which items on this list do not apply to Trump or UKIP and I will be argue that they do within the current political and social landscape.
Association fallacy? That's like complaining that someone's only saying it's gold because it's coloured gold and has the same number of protons as gold. What defining characteristics would you look for before classing something as a fascist movement?
(July 26, 2016 at 2:48 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Could I interest you in my left wing Corbynite version?
Not really, I don't give a shit about Corbyn.
(July 26, 2016 at 2:48 pm)Napoléon Wrote:
- Feminism. Assume everyone is the same homogeneous mass except for when it comes to paying the bill
- Fiercely internationalist and multi-cultural
- Claim to be free thinking
- Left wing
- They deliberately appeal to pseudo-intellectuals
- Yet are happy to also lie (found this one amusing)
- They glorify cultural diversity
- Will be as vitriolic and inciteful as the right but claim they're progressive and peaceful
- Ignore obvious problems with foreign religions and mass immigration
- They glorify pacifism
You see, you've just made this list up based on your own biases. Whereas the list I presented wasn't made up by me but are observed and recorded characteristics of all fascist movements by historians. Your post is basically on a par of saying "Well you stink too so nerr". The book I posted earlier doesn't just describe what fascism is, it also documents all the different fascist movements that have existed in Europe and the world and discussed why some were successful and how most failed.
One of the defining characteristics of a successful fascist movement is that they need to be given power by the right wing conservative government and this happens because they fear a greater enemy (normally communism and rebellion of the work force). Ironically, even though David Cameron may have screwed the country by giving UKIP what they wanted, he also made UKIP completely irrelevant now that Brexit won the vote.