(September 3, 2016 at 5:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: First ask yourself why these two authors came up with such radically different stories for the birth of their godboy? Why... it's almost as if they made the whole thing up!
I agree that they made up the nativity stories. I'm hoping most historians do as well? (If they don't, then fuck historicity.)
Quote:Although matty also claims that jesus will be called a Nazorean from OT prophecy....except there does not seem to be any such prophecy that anyone can find. There is speculation that the term is derived from netzer meaning "branch" and referring to a messianic concept. When you start getting into this Greek-Aramaic translation shit and then insist that it can be reliably rendered into English you are automatically moving on to shaky ground.
I heard there was a minority view among scholars that Matthew wasn't even Jewish. He was a Greek christian working with the Septuagint, who knew nothing at all about Jewish theology. I don't know how credible that is, but it's no wonder that his attempts to shoehorn Jesus into the portrait of the Jewish messiah were not well received by Jews.
Quote:Now, we do not get these named gospels until very late in the 2d century. The earliest canon of xtian writings was put out by the heretic Marcion c 140 AD. It included something called "the Gospel of the Lord" which turns out to be the gospel later known as "luke" without the first two chapters. In fact Marcion's original work claims that jesus descended (from heaven) into Capernaum in the 15th year of Tiberius' reign ( 29AD).
If Marcion's writings predate Luke, then why do historians think he borrowed from Luke? (Honest question. I'm not too familiar with this.)
Quote:http://gnosis.org/library/marcion/Gospel1.html
Feel free to look it over.
Later on when xtian writers rehabilitated the gospel of the lord they attached two chapters which included all the census/virgin birth/ bullshit. But the earliest version of the gospel that we know about (and we are told about it from xtian writers themselves like Tertullian and Irenaeus) does not have any of that nonsense as part of it.
I read it. I think I would agree with you that if Marcion's gospel predates Luke, then mythicism is pretty plausible.
A Gemma is forever.