(September 15, 2016 at 1:35 am)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:There are other second century church "fathers" who do mention Paul by name.
Yeah... and like the Testimonium Flavianum they seem to have been written later for the purpose of filling in the record.
YOu have shut your mind to any other possibility but they are out there if you'd just put your bible down long enough to read them.
You aren't going to trot out Polycarp or the rest of the bullshit, are you?
No, what I should have said is that we don't even need 2nd century accounts because the primary evidence of the historicity of Paul is found in the epistles themselves, as well as within Acts of the Apostles written in the first century. Paul is believed to have been martyred c. 66AD (something we learn only from the 2nd century on), but that is a completely separate issue.
Now I said earlier that sometime in the future it might happen that historians come to the conclusion that Jesus was not a historical person. But right now they have drawn to the conclusion that he was, and that is accepted by scholars of all creeds, or no creed, and by non-bible-scholar historians as well. The onus of proof here is on you, not on me.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke