(October 3, 2016 at 6:47 pm)Jesster Wrote:(October 3, 2016 at 6:41 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I know what you mean, it seems difficult to have a conversation around here.... I didn't think that asking if you agree that using context was important when quoting someone was that difficult. But this time, I'll answer in context, and will remember for another time, that "but context" is just an excuse when quoting you (I imagine that straw man would be similar)?
The passage you asked about in 1 Peter 2, is talking about submitting to authority. It gives three examples, one of government, concerning punishing evil, and rewarding good. The one which you asked about, in which it is said to be more noble, for the servant to submit, whether being treated fairly or unjust by their master. And the third example, of Christ's behavior when he suffered and was abused, but did not return in kind. Later, it says it is better not to repay evil for evil, and to bless those who persecute you.
Now, I would agree, that this is a general principle, there are other instances with those who did not submit to those over them, and stood their ground. And they are not condemned for doing this but revered for their stance. However on an individual and personal level, I would agree, that it is better to suffer for doing good, then to return evil for evil.
What is your issue with the passage?
Yes, the context is generally that. That is exactly my problem with it. The context doesn't improve on the meaning behind the direct passage that I posted. It's the same kind of problem that I have with people like Mother Teresa. Suffering is supposed to be a good thing? Yes, please treat me poorly. God wants me to accept that. Enslave me, beat me, and stick me up on a cross so I can be more like Jesus.
If you want me to be okay with this kind of passage, then we are never going to see eye to eye.
If don't think that one can seek to suffer and it be the same? And I also wouldn't agree, that God wants us to suffer. The Gospel is quite the opposite. I don't go around beating myself with a stick or anything.
