(December 30, 2016 at 2:24 pm)AAA Wrote: Look up scientific materialism:Okay, materialism is a philosophical concept, not a scientific one. While philosophy is an integral part of science it is very much not synonymous with science. So "teaching science" is still not "teaching a materialistic worldview", as you claimed. So that 99% of my response you thought you took care of is only reinforced, once again, by you clouding and confusing the issue, an inherently dishonest thing to do.
Materialism is a form of philosophical monism which holds that matter is the fundamental substance in nature, and that all phenomena, including mental phenomena and consciousness, are results of material interactions. Materialism is closely related to physicalism, the view that all that exists is ultimately physical.
That's how I was using the word, and it was used correctly. That takes care of about 99/100 ths of your reply.
Also, I don't disagree with the fact that some Christians are trying to deceive, but the idea that Christians can't be good scientists is ridiculous. Also, I disagree with your assertion that I'm inherently ignorant of basic scientific understanding.
I NEVER said that Christians in general were trying to deceive. I gave only a few specific examples in which I thought the deception to be purposeful, such as Jehovah's Witness printed materials and the intelligent design movement. I also NEVER said that Christians can't be good scientists. Let me quote what I had to say on that.
Asmodee Wrote:...Christianity IS synonymous with "bad science". Christians can do good science. Christians can and do contribute to science. But whenever CHRISTIANITY (NOT "Christians") tries to "contribute" to science it is ALWAYS junk science intended to push their beliefs.That I had to write a response explaining the difference between philosophy and science only reinforces my belief that you are inherently ignorant of basic scientific understanding. You made the claim that schools taught "only a materialistic world view". Then you, yourself, point out that materialism is a philosophy. So essentially what you are saying is that because there is a philosophical idea called materialism all of science bows to this philosophy and all school children are taught that this philosophical concept is truth. You MIGHT be taught materialism in a philosophy class. You WON'T be taught materialism in a science class. That I have to point that out because you apparently hold the belief that all of science adheres to one specific philosophical view and that philosophy is specifically taught in schools is actually pretty strong evidence to support everything that I'm saying, that you are inherently ignorant of basic scientific understanding and that you are being deceptive. FOR THE RECORD, I do not believe you to be intentionally deceptive. You are not trying to give me false information, ie, "lie to me". But that doesn't change the fact that your argument is riddled with false information.
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