RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
December 24, 2016 at 1:41 pm
(This post was last modified: December 24, 2016 at 2:14 pm by Jehanne.)
(December 24, 2016 at 12:55 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:He simply noted that Jesus had existed and had been executed by a Roman governor, Pontius Pilate. Implicit in his silence, Tacitus knew who Jesus was, a religious loon who had been put to death by the Roman authorities, one of many, in fact.
No, he did not. Tacitus, even if the passage is not a much later interpolation, never heard of anyone named "jesus." The passage as it exists now refers to "Christus" ( and more than likely said "Chrestus" originally). Neither Suetonius, Pliny nor Tacitus ever heard of any fucking "jesus." In fact, the first Greco-Roman writer to refer to anyone named "jesus" was Celsus writing 6 decades after Tacitus died.
I am not a Roman classical scholar, just some guy positing messages on the Internet. Having said that, the reference by Tacitus to Jesus is considered to be authentic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on...ical_value
(December 24, 2016 at 12:57 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:(December 24, 2016 at 12:43 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Been there, done that. Being a former believe myself, I understand their mindset all too well.
Then you might know that believers simply wish to attain eternal life someday for leading a good life. It has nothing to do with evidence.
You behave in an excellent manner according to Gods standards - you become Gods "little angel". And if there isn't a God... Pascal Wager made a good point regarding that problem.
I wish to attain eternal life, also! But, if such does not exist (and, it almost certainly doesn't), then it's a waste of time & resources, no? As for the Wager, such presumes a lot, namely, that God exists, that one has the "right" religion to worship God, and that God prefers sycophants who are willing to ingratiate themselves towards him/her/it as opposed to honest individuals who are willing to call "a spade a spade".