RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
December 30, 2016 at 11:55 am
(December 29, 2016 at 7:40 pm)21stCenturyIconoclast Wrote: MGlob.. So who was Christ convicted of killing?
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The content of the rebuttals and the counter points are all there sport. All you need do now is pick up the ball and run with it. Show me how 'great thou art.'
The only thing missing to my rebuttal statement is the promise I will stick to structured debate. Again where following the rules of the debate structure take precedent over the content of the debate.
If you truly think you are smart enough to 'own' what others all have tried and failed then please Show me. Demonstrate this ownership. stop talking about it and shut me up with your great and powerful logic...
You know kinda what I did with the OP when I went line by line and not only refuted her analysis of 'science/aliens' but as religion, and God as well.
What you are doing is taking a victory lap before you or the 'op' has even entered the race.
Drich,
Simply put and tersely, the bottom line is that your serial killer Jesus
Quote: and his inspired word is moot to begin with, because historicity, logic, and reason statesNot a fan of History huh? In addition to the quick 'goto' Tacitus, Josephus, Julius Africanus quotes the historian Thallus, Pliny the Younger, in Letters 10:96, recorded early Christian worship practices including the fact that Christians worshiped Jesus as God and were very ethical, and he includes a reference to the love feast and Lord’s Supper, The Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) confirms Jesus' crucifixion on the eve of Passover and the accusations against Christ of practicing sorcery and encouraging Jewish apostasy.
that Jesus more so than not never existed in the first place.
Lucian of Samosata was a second-century Greek writer who admits that Jesus was worshiped by Christians, introduced new teachings, and was crucified for them. He said that Jesus' teachings included the brotherhood of believers, the importance of conversion, and the importance of denying other gods. Christians lived according to Jesus’ laws, believed themselves to be immortal, and were characterized by contempt for death, voluntary self-devotion, and renunciation of material goods.
Mara Bar-Serapion confirms that Jesus was thought to be a wise and virtuous man, was considered by many to be the king of Israel, was put to death by the Jews, and lived on in the teachings of His followers.
Then we have all the Gnostic writings (The Gospel of Truth, The Apocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise on Resurrection, etc.) that all mention Jesus.
In fact, we can almost reconstruct the gospel just from early non-Christian sources: Jesus was called the Christ (Josephus), did “magic,” led Israel into new teachings, and was hanged on Passover for them (Babylonian Talmud) in Judea (Tacitus), but claimed to be God and would return (Eliezar), which his followers believed, worshipping Him as God (Pliny the Younger).
There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.All independently report of Christ.
All point to a biblical consistent picture of Christ. albeit one piece at a time.
https://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html
Quote: Comprende? Pseudo-christians like you take the a priori stance that he actually existed before you fools doAwwwe hims thinks him speaks from a position of authority...
Quote:your homework! LOL!says the 'thinker' trying to repeal any recorded History not to his liking. Victory laps before the race will not help you with me sport. only content. Do us both a favor and drop it, as it makes you look insecure and unsure of yourself. That is already a given. To make the obvious just makes you look sad. So again stop puffing yourself up till you have something to be proud of. As of this point you have nothing to be proud of, just a uncontested claim, and empty proclamations of victory.
Comically, you DO NOT have the acumen to even try to debate me upon your primitive Bronze and Iron Age cult known as Christianity,
when it concerns the impetus of your primitive belief, whether there was a BIBLE JESUS in the first place!
Move along in total embarrassment once again in front of your pseudo-christian brethren.
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Don't look now, but I've given you several sources to chew on that directly contradict what you claim... AND! I did it in plain English. So what say you now? church conspiracy? Made up sources? All not valid? Or could the youtube video that you got all your vim and vigor from, be wrong? Thus making you wrong???