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Moral Acts
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RE: Moral Acts
(January 13, 2017 at 1:56 am)robvalue Wrote: Another way of putting it: explain to a being in another reality, who doesn't care about anything in our reality, why one of us raping another is "wrong".
It harms them, and tolerating it harms us all.  

Quote:You have to care in the first place, before "wrong" takes any meaning.
You don't have to give a shit to know that rape harms a person, for it;s wrongness to have meaning.  Rapists know that, they don't give a shit, but they know it harms the person.  

Quote:Edit: I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm going to have to think on it Smile

What is a moral fact? I'm saying this is a contradiction in terms.
I'm not sure how it could be a contradiction in terms.  There's nothing contradictory about morality and facts.  A moral fact of the matter.  An objective moral statement.  Example (the easy example -because- it's easy) : rape is wrong, it's not wrong just because I think it's wrong, i didn't make it wrong, I couldn't make it right if I wanted to, it's wrong independent of anyone's personal opinion, and it's always wrong.

Quote:You're already assuming it's about wellbeing,

I wouldn't call that an assumption, or claim ownership for it personally.  It seems to be the subject matter of morality regardless of how people arrange the contents of heir morality.

Quote: and then assuming there's a 'correct' way to assess effects on it. 
Do you not think that there might be an objective measurement of human wellbeing?  When we measure poverty, for example..and determine that it has a negative effect on human wellbeing, is that an objective or subjective measurement of it's effect?  

Quote:You're saying there's a metric out there which is the "right" one. But right according to... who? The universe?
Like I said, it seems to be the subject to which morality refers.  The universe, who gives a fuck about the universe, we're talking human morality.  
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Moral Acts - by chimp3 - January 10, 2017 at 8:37 am
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 10, 2017 at 8:43 am
RE: Moral Acts - by brewer - January 10, 2017 at 9:03 am
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 10, 2017 at 9:36 am
RE: Moral Acts - by brewer - January 10, 2017 at 12:30 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by RoadRunner79 - January 10, 2017 at 9:08 am
RE: Moral Acts - by bennyboy - January 10, 2017 at 9:24 am
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 10, 2017 at 9:35 am
RE: Moral Acts - by ErGingerbreadMandude - January 11, 2017 at 12:26 am
RE: Moral Acts - by ApeNotKillApe - January 10, 2017 at 12:03 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 10, 2017 at 12:15 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Aegon - January 10, 2017 at 12:29 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Catholic_Lady - January 10, 2017 at 12:31 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Catholic_Lady - January 10, 2017 at 12:29 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Aegon - January 10, 2017 at 12:37 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Catholic_Lady - January 10, 2017 at 12:52 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 10, 2017 at 1:24 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Catholic_Lady - January 10, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 10, 2017 at 1:30 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Catholic_Lady - January 10, 2017 at 1:33 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 10, 2017 at 1:38 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Catholic_Lady - January 10, 2017 at 1:43 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 10, 2017 at 1:49 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by bennyboy - January 10, 2017 at 10:09 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by chimp3 - January 10, 2017 at 10:15 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by bennyboy - January 11, 2017 at 12:23 am
RE: Moral Acts - by ignoramus - January 10, 2017 at 10:54 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by jdrnd - January 10, 2017 at 10:56 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by ignoramus - January 10, 2017 at 11:03 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 11, 2017 at 12:48 am
RE: Moral Acts - by chimp3 - January 11, 2017 at 1:04 am
RE: Moral Acts - by Catholic_Lady - January 11, 2017 at 1:09 am
RE: Moral Acts - by chimp3 - January 11, 2017 at 1:19 am
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 11, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 11, 2017 at 9:51 am
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 11, 2017 at 10:34 am
RE: Moral Acts - by ApeNotKillApe - January 11, 2017 at 10:39 am
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 11, 2017 at 10:55 am
RE: Moral Acts - by chimp3 - January 11, 2017 at 7:43 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 11, 2017 at 9:36 am
RE: Moral Acts - by LadyForCamus - January 12, 2017 at 10:01 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2017 at 1:25 am
RE: Moral Acts - by chimp3 - January 11, 2017 at 1:31 am
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 11, 2017 at 1:39 am
RE: Moral Acts - by chimp3 - January 11, 2017 at 6:19 am
RE: Moral Acts - by ErGingerbreadMandude - January 11, 2017 at 6:10 am
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 11, 2017 at 6:13 am
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 11, 2017 at 6:21 am
RE: Moral Acts - by chimp3 - January 11, 2017 at 6:26 am
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 11, 2017 at 6:28 am
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 11, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 11, 2017 at 10:43 am
RE: Moral Acts - by ApeNotKillApe - January 11, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 11, 2017 at 10:44 am
RE: Moral Acts - by Catholic_Lady - January 11, 2017 at 12:12 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 11, 2017 at 12:22 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 11, 2017 at 1:06 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 11, 2017 at 1:39 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 11, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 11, 2017 at 3:18 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 11, 2017 at 4:09 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by bennyboy - January 12, 2017 at 6:29 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 12, 2017 at 7:00 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by bennyboy - January 12, 2017 at 7:54 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2017 at 2:29 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 11, 2017 at 3:11 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 11, 2017 at 2:32 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Catholic_Lady - January 11, 2017 at 2:32 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 11, 2017 at 2:40 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2017 at 2:41 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2017 at 3:38 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Edwardo Piet - January 11, 2017 at 4:10 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Sterben - January 11, 2017 at 9:37 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2017 at 7:03 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Catholic_Lady - January 12, 2017 at 8:03 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 13, 2017 at 11:01 am
RE: Moral Acts - by bennyboy - January 13, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by chimp3 - January 12, 2017 at 11:35 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2017 at 11:50 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 13, 2017 at 12:37 am
RE: Moral Acts - by ignoramus - January 13, 2017 at 12:43 am
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 13, 2017 at 12:49 am
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2017 at 1:20 am
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 13, 2017 at 1:30 am
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2017 at 1:37 am
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 13, 2017 at 1:44 am
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2017 at 1:46 am
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 13, 2017 at 1:48 am
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2017 at 1:56 am
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 13, 2017 at 1:56 am
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2017 at 2:03 am
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 13, 2017 at 2:17 am
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2017 at 2:23 am
RE: Moral Acts - by robvalue - January 13, 2017 at 4:57 am
RE: Moral Acts - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2017 at 5:50 am
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 13, 2017 at 4:50 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by bennyboy - January 13, 2017 at 6:08 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 13, 2017 at 6:25 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by bennyboy - January 13, 2017 at 7:52 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by Neo-Scholastic - January 13, 2017 at 8:32 pm
RE: Moral Acts - by bennyboy - January 13, 2017 at 9:20 pm

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