RE: Moral Acts
January 13, 2017 at 2:03 am
(This post was last modified: January 13, 2017 at 2:13 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 13, 2017 at 1:56 am)robvalue Wrote: Another way of putting it: explain to a being in another reality, who doesn't care about anything in our reality, why one of us raping another is "wrong".It harms them, and tolerating it harms us all.
Quote:You have to care in the first place, before "wrong" takes any meaning.You don't have to give a shit to know that rape harms a person, for it;s wrongness to have meaning. Rapists know that, they don't give a shit, but they know it harms the person.
Quote:Edit: I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm going to have to think on itI'm not sure how it could be a contradiction in terms. There's nothing contradictory about morality and facts. A moral fact of the matter. An objective moral statement. Example (the easy example -because- it's easy) : rape is wrong, it's not wrong just because I think it's wrong, i didn't make it wrong, I couldn't make it right if I wanted to, it's wrong independent of anyone's personal opinion, and it's always wrong.
What is a moral fact? I'm saying this is a contradiction in terms.
Quote:You're already assuming it's about wellbeing,
I wouldn't call that an assumption, or claim ownership for it personally. It seems to be the subject matter of morality regardless of how people arrange the contents of heir morality.
Quote: and then assuming there's a 'correct' way to assess effects on it.Do you not think that there might be an objective measurement of human wellbeing? When we measure poverty, for example..and determine that it has a negative effect on human wellbeing, is that an objective or subjective measurement of it's effect?
Quote:You're saying there's a metric out there which is the "right" one. But right according to... who? The universe?Like I said, it seems to be the subject to which morality refers. The universe, who gives a fuck about the universe, we're talking human morality.
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