RE: Guys do you believe Howard Storm's NDE?
February 3, 2017 at 9:49 am
(This post was last modified: February 3, 2017 at 10:13 am by Little Rik.)
(February 2, 2017 at 6:28 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Rik, does it embarrass you that your entire case is totally dependent on the testimony of people who not only have a proven track record of lying, but who also have a vested interest in lying and an agenda to sell you?
That's a rhetorical question, by the way, intended to spotlight your credulous dishonesty for all to see. Of course it doesn't embarrass you; you are utterly without shame.
Gee, I didn't know that these people.........have a vested interest in lying and an agenda to sell me.....
Stim you are my savior.
Please Stim tell me about the agenda.
Don't let LR die in agony waiting for your answer.
(February 2, 2017 at 12:48 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(February 2, 2017 at 10:02 am)Little Rik Wrote: For the hundred of time you fail again.
Physical science has yet to prove that it can understand what is behind such a science such as the NDEs
experiences.
Even a professional neurosurgeon as Eben Alexander could not understand UNTIL he himself had one of such an experience.
Keep on looking in the night with your torch for evidence that confirm that physical science can understand NDEs and then come back here.
In the meantime get real and stop chasing fantasies.
Having an NDE doesn't tell you anything about the causes of an NDE. Neither you nor Eben Alexander can tell you when he had his NDE.
Quote:... "everything – absolutely everything – in Alexander's account rests on repeated assertions that his visions of heaven occurred while his cerebral cortex was 'shut down', 'inactivated', 'completely shut down', 'totally offline', and 'stunned to complete inactivity'. The evidence he provides for this claim is not only inadequate – it suggests that he doesn't know anything about the relevant brain science."[16] "Even in cases where the brain is alleged to have shut down, its activity must return if the subject is to survive and describe the experience. In such cases, there is generally no way to establish that the NDE occurred while the brain was offline."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Alexander_(author)
Quote:In a 2013 investigation of Alexander's story and medical background, Esquire magazine reported that before the publication of Proof of Heaven, Alexander had been terminated or suspended from multiple hospital positions, and had been the subject of several malpractice lawsuits, including at least two involving the alteration of medical records to cover up a medical error.[13][14] The magazine also found what it claimed were discrepancies with regard to Alexander's version of events in the book. Among the discrepancies, according to an account of the Esquire article in Forbes, was that "Alexander writes that he slipped into the coma as a result of severe bacterial meningitis and had no higher brain activity, while a doctor who cared for him says the coma was medically induced and the patient was conscious, though hallucinating".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Alexander_(author)
Once again, your evidence is crap. Alexander was hallucinating before being put into a medically induced coma.
You've got nothing but a bunch of empty words, as usual.
An example of Eben Alexander's reliability as a source:
Quote:For example, on March 1, 2007, a fifty-four-year-old tobacco farmer from a small town outside of Lynchburg visited Dr. Alexander, complaining of pain in his neck and trapezius and upper arm. Alexander conducted a physical examination and inspected some MRI imagery and told the patient that he recommended a spinal decompression surgery that would involve fusing his fifth and sixth vertebrae. The patient agreed to the surgery, and several months later, on June 27, 2007, Alexander performed it.
He did something wrong. Instead of fusing the farmer's fifth and sixth vertebrae, he fused his fourth and fifth. He did not realize his mistake at first. When he dictated the operative report, he recorded that the "MRI scan showed significant disk bulge and disk osteophyte complex compression at C5-6 mainly the left side," and then described an operation on those vertebrae, instead of the vertebrae he had actually operated on.
On July 12, he had his first follow-up appointment with the farmer. He reviewed the postoperative X-rays. He noticed his mistake. He didn't tell his patient. Instead, after his patient went home, he pulled the operative report up on his computer and edited it. Now the report read that the MRI scan had showed disk bulge at both C4-5 and C5-6, and that "we had discussed possible C5-6 as well as C4-5 decompression, finally deciding on C4-5 decompression." Then he simply found every subsequent reference in the report to C5-6 and changed it to C4-5.
After he finished editing the report, it read as though he hadn't done anything wrong at all.
During a third follow-up meeting, in October, Alexander finally confessed, and told the patient that if he wanted another operation he could have it for free. It is unclear exactly when Lynchburg General Hospital learned of Alexander's mistake, but by the end of October he no longer had surgical privileges at the hospital.
On August 6, 2008, the patient filed a $3 million lawsuit against Alexander, accusing him of negligence, battery, spoliation, and fraud. The purported cover-up, the changes Alexander had made to the surgical report, was a major aspect of the suit. Once again, a lawyer was accusing Alexander of altering the historical record when the historical record didn't fit the story he wanted to tell.
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/int...e-prophet/
FOOL.
1) Alexander may or may have not done a mistake on a patient but what this has to do with his NDE experience?
If he did a mistake that may well be attributed to fatigue.
Quite often doctors and surgeons are asked to stay behind their working hours because the hospital can not find anybody else to replace them.
I know this very well because I work in the sector so I wouldn't build up a drama even if the patient had to suffer a lot.
If anyone make a drama out of it then he or she is a total idiot.
2) If medical science would know what is behind their science such as what happen when the consciousness separate from the body-mind then we can not longer call it medical science but medical-consciousness science.
You never thought about it Yog, did you?
Oh, by the way can you explain me what is the difference between an hallucination and an NDE?