(June 24, 2017 at 2:49 pm)Khemikal Wrote: @Tiz
It's funny, because it's not even hard to do. ala-
I think that rape is wrong.
-Why? Because it causes harm (and not a little...alot)
Is it just, like, you know...my opinion, man...that rape causes harm?
-No, ofc not. It objectively does.
What if somebody else thinks it doesn't?
-Somebody else™ is wrong, again objectively.....and probably a rapist (jk...they're just a rapist sympathizer, lol)
What if somebody else doesn't care whether or not it causes harm?
-Then somebody else™ has an empathy deficit, and it doesn't matter whether or not they care.
What If I really really really wanna gang up like a pack of ducks (wtf) with my friends to rape someone?
-Then you need to seek help, because you're probably going to end up finding sympathetic ducks to gang rape some poor girl...regardless of whether or not it's wrong, and even if you accept that it -is- wrong.
You just made that up, that's from a human mind, it's not real, it's delusional..it's incoherent
-I didn't make it up, it is from a human mind, but the harm caused by rape is in no way a delusion, nor is it's designation as a bad thing because it causes harm anything other than straight laced coherence.
Saying rape is wrong because it objectively causes harm only shifts the argument to whether or not causing harm is wrong.
Then when asked why causing harm is wrong, you say something about empathy which varies incredibly widely from person to person and species to species.
Nothing wrong with appealing to the common good. But empathy is weak sauce as a foundation, particularly given the behavior of humans throughout history, where it's shown to be very different than 21st century 1st world countries than everywhere else.
