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Objective morality as a proper basic belief
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
(July 1, 2017 at 8:55 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(July 1, 2017 at 6:56 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Ok.... What you are describing still doesn't make it subjective ontologically.  This could be a problem with equating objective with absolute, or subjective with relative. For instance if we are talking about hair color of a particular person.  The color of the hair is objective.  It does not change even if you and I disagree on what that color is.  It is also relative, as it depends on the person, that we are talking about.

Why are you talking about hair? I'm talking about moral subjectivity. Do you really not grasp that?

If you are using different value judgements for the same act based on who the actor is, you are practicing moral relativity. This horseshit about ontology is irrelevant.

Yes, because as long as you are not committing a category error, the logic is the same.
And again, you seem to be confusing relative with subjective, which is the point; I was trying to make.

(July 1, 2017 at 7:30 pm)Astonished Wrote:
(July 1, 2017 at 8:55 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Why are you talking about hair? I'm talking about moral subjectivity. Do you really not grasp that?

If you are using different value judgements for the same act based on who the actor is, you are practicing moral relativity. This horseshit about ontology is irrelevant.

Try extrapolating it out to different nations and maybe that will help, and remove god from the equation (although Israeli schoolchildren were tested in this way and said it wasn't wrong for a god-backed army to do the same thing as a Chinese army that they did consider wrong). Is it wrong for X nation to gas the minority population that disagrees with the ruling party, but not for Y nation to do the same? If not then there's no way to justify any other party's immunity to this. Distinctions destroy the entire argument.

I find that morality more often than not, has to do with the why, rather than the what (when it comes down to it).
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief - by RoadRunner79 - July 3, 2017 at 11:03 am

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