(July 12, 2017 at 2:47 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote:(July 12, 2017 at 2:27 pm)SteveII Wrote: 1. I've demonstrated the if objective morality does exist, it must exist in the nature of God or fall on one of the two horns of euthyphro's dilemma.
2. 'Infinite' does not have anything to do with ability.
in·fi·nite
ˈinfənət
adjective
limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate.
God cannot violate his nature (for one thing, since his nature is perfect, violating it would be an imperfection). He also cannot do anything that is logically impossible. You are right, we have been given free will so we are not 'bound'. However that is the standard we will be measured against--our boundary for morality.
3. You are missing the very important part that has been front an center in all my recent posts. It is God's always existing, unchanging, superlative nature that is the source of morality--not his actions. Please note the difference--it is important.
4. So...most people are just stupid. You must be fun at parties.
5. Infinite is an adjective. In this context, it modifies an attribute of God. There are many many many things about God that are not infinite. His patience for one.
1. I've demonstrated the if objective morality does exist, it must exist in the nature of God or fall on one of the two horns of euthyphro's dilemma.
You've demonstrated you believe it but not that it is necessarily required of a god.
2. 'Infinite' does not have anything to do with ability.
Either god's abilities are unlimited (it is all-powerful and/or all-knowing) or they aren't. It can't be both. That is a paradox
3. You are missing the very important part that has been front an center in all my recent posts. It is God's always existing, unchanging, superlative nature that is the source of morality--not his actions. Please note the difference--it is important.
You've also claimed that these objective morals exist independent of your god and that your god didn't create them. yet more contradiction.
4. So...most people are just stupid. You must be fun at parties.
I didn't say most people are stupid as a blanket generalization. Don't straw man me in such a blatantly dishonest way. Some people are stupid and many people are stupid about at least something over the course of their life. But yes, I do think most people who believe in objective morality in the way you describe are being stupid about it. I don't know of a nicer way to say that, so there you go.
5. Infinite is an adjective. In this context, it modifies an attribute of God. There are many many many things about God that are not infinite. His patience for one.
Either your god is infinite, or it isn't. You keep describing it as being infinite in some sense, but then define limitations on its infiniteness. Your god concept seems extremely ill-defined. It sounds more like you grasping at straws to keep your god concept on a pedestal. Insecurity is a real bitch...
1. I don't know what your point is.
2. God's abilities are not unlimited. Never claimed they were. It seems you are.
3. I never ever made that claim. Read my posts.
4. Got it.
5. The only time I used the word infinite was clearly in the context of always existing . If you want to say omnipotent or omniscient, use those words. It is you who are trying to cobble together a definition based on a misunderstanding of the word infinite.
