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Objective morality as a proper basic belief
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
(July 12, 2017 at 4:11 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(July 12, 2017 at 2:47 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote: 1. I've demonstrated the if objective morality does exist, it must exist in the nature of God or fall on one of the two horns of euthyphro's dilemma.

You've demonstrated you believe it but not that it is necessarily required of a god.

2. 'Infinite' does not have anything to do with ability. 

Either god's abilities are unlimited (it is all-powerful and/or all-knowing) or they aren't. It can't be both. That is a paradox 

3. You are missing the very important part that has been front an center in all my recent posts. It is God's always existing, unchanging, superlative nature that is the source of morality--not his actions. Please note the difference--it is important.

You've also claimed that these objective morals exist independent of your god and that your god didn't create them. yet more contradiction.

4. So...most people are just stupid. You must be fun at parties.

I didn't say most people are stupid as a blanket generalization. Don't straw man me in such a blatantly dishonest way. Some people are stupid and many people are stupid about at least something over the course of their life. But yes, I do think most people who believe in objective morality in the way you describe are being stupid about it. I don't know of a nicer way to say that, so there you go. 

5. Infinite is an adjective. In this context, it modifies an attribute of God. There are many many many things about God that are not infinite. His patience for one.

Either your god is infinite, or it isn't. You keep describing it as being infinite in some sense, but then define limitations on its infiniteness. Your god concept seems extremely ill-defined. It sounds more like you grasping at straws to keep your god concept on a pedestal. Insecurity is a real bitch...

1. I don't know what your point is.

2. God's abilities are not unlimited. Never claimed they were. It seems you are. 

3. I never ever made that claim. Read my posts.

4. Got it. 

5. The only time I used the word infinite was clearly in the context of always existing . If you want to say omnipotent or omniscient, use those words. It is you who are trying to cobble together a definition based on a misunderstanding of the word infinite.

1. I don't know what your point is.

Thought it was pretty clear. You've not demonstrated that the existence of a god requires morals to be objective.

2. God's abilities are not unlimited. Never claimed they were. 

So your god is not all-powerful or all-knowing? Those are claims made of your god, whether or not you specifically said them here or not is irrelevant.

It seems you are. 

Insults all you have?

3. I never ever made that claim. Read my posts.

I did and cited what you said and when. You should read your own posts it seems. In separate sentences and points, you've contradicted yourself. I suspect it is because you don't know how to properly use terms like "infinite." In fact...

5. The only time I used the word infinite was clearly in the context of always existing . If you want to say omnipotent or omniscient, use those words. It is you who are trying to cobble together a definition based on a misunderstanding of the word infinite.

This cements the fact that you don't know what the word "infinite" means. If you mean to say your god has always existed, the word you're looking for is "eternal."

(July 12, 2017 at 4:13 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You're asking Steve to tell you what he's saying, Ink?  Every additional post he makes suggests, strongly, that the last person who understands what Steve is saying, is Steve.

I highly doubt Steve understands what Steve is saying considering all of the contradictions.
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RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief - by TheBeardedDude - July 12, 2017 at 4:20 pm

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