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Non-existing objects
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RE: Non-existing objects
(June 26, 2017 at 7:27 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: I propose, as a hypothesis, that Kerim is the perfect antithesis of Minimalist.

You are very close...
One of the axioms I started with (since I was a teen) and I have verified its validation gradually with time could be expressed as (not perfectly, due to the inherent imperfections in man-made languages):

"The Will/Power behind my existence is not offering me a silly game in which there are doors to be opened but have no keys hidden anywhere".

This could be expressed too as:

"The Will/Power behind my existence gave me already (in my being) all necessary tools to find out, if I really want to, the logical answers of all important questions I may need to know about my being and the world as it is (in order to live without any sort of fears and confusions)."

I meant by 'logical answers' the useful answers that should be all based on the same logical reasoning; the one I also used in my scientific studies by which I had the opportunity to become an independent professional designer.

But though the way I live since many decades proved me that this axiom is valid to me, I noticed that, for many reasons, most people in the world cannot believe it and, therefore, cannot apply it, even if they want to, in their life. But, accepting the inverse of this axiom makes life much easier by being a faithful member/follower/believer (if not a master/leader) in a certain well-defined well-organized community (social, sportive, scientific, religious or political). 

In other words, the weakness I was born with as all human babies in the world have to be born with too, is history in my case now. Could you guess it? Well, it is the 'total ignorance'. Fortunately, I had the chance to cure it gradually and reach my (I said my, not of anyone else) relative (not absolute, but relative to me) perfect (up-to-date always) knowledge. Such a knowledge happens to be enough for me because whatever is related to my being (socially, politically and spiritually) is clear to me now. You may say: "But, in this case, your life would be boring" and you will be right if you say it. Yes, from one angle, I see the world as if it is a movie that I already watched, so its various events can't surprise me anymore.

(June 26, 2017 at 7:55 am)mh.brewer Wrote:
(June 26, 2017 at 3:52 am)KerimF Wrote:

Do you mean you, as a mature sane person, can accept evidence from sources other than the ones you used trusting lately?
And, among these other sources, could you trust your personal observations and your logical reasoning more than of your trusted sources?

In reality, billions of people prefer to follow some others as good sheep do, so that they can be on the safe side (with the hope they will not be chosen among the sheep that should be slaughtered under one pretext or another).
I mean just what I said. I can consider new evidence and then accept it if it seems trustworthy. My personal observations and reason are compared to the new evidence on a case by case basis, trusted source or not. 
If your talking about the religious sheep and buying the promise of heaven (safe?), I agree. In my view that does not make them correct. I consider them manipulated and deluded.
I am afraid I met many people who are also happy in following (believing in), as good sheep do, non-religious Elite who are privileged to address the world's masses in the name of Science and earthly Promises/Ideals. These Elite are actually complementing the role of the various religious Elite since many centuries.
Answering: What is my point?
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Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 7:07 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 7:14 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 7:50 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 7:55 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by ignoramus - June 25, 2017 at 7:24 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 8:18 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 8:32 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 9:46 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 10:01 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Alex K - June 25, 2017 at 8:14 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 8:36 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 8:41 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 10:57 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 3:54 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 8:41 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 11:13 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 11:34 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 4:39 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 11:40 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 8:14 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 8:43 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 8:52 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 12:01 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 25, 2017 at 8:26 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 8:36 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Alex K - June 25, 2017 at 8:37 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 25, 2017 at 10:03 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 10:10 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 25, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 2:05 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 2:17 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 3:52 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 26, 2017 at 7:55 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 25, 2017 at 7:16 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 7:51 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Minimalist - June 25, 2017 at 11:31 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 25, 2017 at 12:32 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 4:33 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 6:03 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 25, 2017 at 11:36 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 1:04 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 11:14 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 25, 2017 at 11:46 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 2:03 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 2:40 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 2:42 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 2:57 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 3:13 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 3:57 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 2:31 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 26, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 12:11 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 26, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 12:53 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 12:59 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 25, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Astonished - June 25, 2017 at 8:33 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 25, 2017 at 9:03 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 7:09 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by SteelCurtain - June 26, 2017 at 7:27 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 10:31 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 26, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 12:03 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 3:18 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 26, 2017 at 3:43 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 12:10 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 2:03 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 26, 2017 at 12:57 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 26, 2017 at 2:52 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 26, 2017 at 3:12 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 3:53 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by ignoramus - June 26, 2017 at 8:47 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 28, 2017 at 2:34 am

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