(July 27, 2017 at 1:45 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(July 27, 2017 at 1:12 pm)Jesster Wrote: As far as the "seeing you naked" thing, I had to be naked around a bunch of men every day when I was in military basic training. I had to stay absolutely silent about my extreme discomfort because coming out would mean termination from the military. I'm not going to argue that point into the ground because I won't pretend that isn't an issue worth considering on the other side as well. I'm just pointing out my lack of shock at the one-way empathy here yet again.
Edit: I realize you weren't making this issue entirely one-sided Shell B. I'll add that before this becomes an issue.
In that case I assume you're referring to me.
Since apparently I need to make this perfectly clear, I only said I wouldn't blame a woman for feeling uncomfortable naked in front of men (or a trans person who still looks like a man and has male parts) because I was speaking from my own perspective as a bio woman myself. In no way does this mean I have no empathy for other people who are not bio females feeling the same way. I have said absolutely nothing to insinuate otherwise. And once again, i dont think the shower issue is legitimate reason for a trans ban in the military. Military isn't about comfort.
I'm referring to the situation in general. I keep seeing "think about the women!" brought up all the time, which is valid, but at the same time nobody seems to realize what trans people have already been going through for a long time now. I'm not trying to call anyone out here.
I don't believe you. Get over it.