Saudi cleric says women too stupid to drive

[Brian37]

Yea which is why they publicly whip and execute apostates. 

And what does Quran say about freedom of religion?

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 At best you might argue some play the game because they want the power

And what does Quran say about that? About other than God's chosen ones trying to make people follow them and obey them? Or look towards them and be bound to listen to them?

Or claiming purity?

Who is actually in power according to Quran, who but Satan's friends who pretend to be believers end up leading people regarding revelation.

As for the chosen leaders, they come to make people reflect and pass enough light in that regard, to manifest the truth and guide by it.

They manifested by reason and wanted people to refer through reasoning all their hadiths back to Quran.

There is a dark sinister force that always corrupts religion - and people are too afraid to look at it.

Try for once to pull your nose out of that one book, and look at the bigger picture I am trying to convey to you.

I love Catholic Lady, but she does this too. "What does the bible say about that?" She has the same thoughts about Jesus as you do about Mo. She has the same thoughts about the Bible as you do about the Koran.

She believes as fervently in her version of the God of Abraham as you do in your version of the God of Abraham.

And just like you point to Muslims of other sects of Islam and say, "They got it wrong." Catholic lady points to other sects of Christianity and says the same, "They got it wrong."

But it is the same in all religions. Jews do it, even Buddhist do it. There is not one religion in the world that does not have sub sects that argue over the "correct" interpretation of the holy writing the umbrella label has.

I'll be happy with any theist who doesn't justify violence. But the thing is, religion does lead humans to compete over the same religions, that is why sub sects exist.  Fearful conservatives who interpret a holy book exist IN EVERY RELIGION. Compassionate non violent liberals also exist in every religion.

But both claim the same books to justify their morality.

If the hero Bible God or the Jewish God or the Muslim God existed, and it wanted us all to get along, sorry, all I can say to that is he either does not care, is not aware, does not give a shit, or does not exist.

I think the better option is that these fictional beings do not exist, and when humans do good or bad, humans are doing that. I do not see our species morality as being handed down to us. I see our species morality as being in our genes. I see the only thing helping humans when they want to, are other humans.

There is no such thing as a religion that cannot be corrupted. I don't say that just about religion, but anything. Political ideas can be corrupted, and businesses can be corrupted. The problem with humans on any subject, including religion, any religion, is nobody wants to face the fact that utopias do not exist. 

There are merely greedy humans, and compassionate humans, there are power mongers, and those who value sharing. MK, don't try to create a perfect Islam or perfect Koran. There is no such thing as a perfect bible or perfect Torah or Talmud either. There are only imperfect humans, including me.