RE: Saudi cleric says women too stupid to drive
September 23, 2017 at 6:09 pm
(This post was last modified: September 23, 2017 at 6:09 pm by WinterHold.)
(September 23, 2017 at 5:11 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(September 23, 2017 at 5:02 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Yep. Just like the government of Iran, and like Shiite Twelver clerics.
They use idiotic theocracies, to control ignorant people.
That is the same in all religions. The only thing I object to is saying the majority of powers in human history don't believe the shit the peddle. I would say sure, many don't and see religion as useful to gaining power. But in human history the powers that rise for the most part do. I am not singling out Islam.
Trump I could care less if he believes or not. I don't think he gives a shit, even if he does believe, he is out for himself. Obama I do think believes but cares. I don't see Islam as any different. I don't even see China or India as any different knowing most humans have some sort of religion.
Religion is certainly useful in politics. Not just Islam but all. It can very easily be used to get the respective population to chase a utopia when utopias do not exist. I wont claim there are not well intended theists in politics, just that religion itself is a horrible way of conducting political compromise because religion is deeply personal to all sides.
In Saudi Arabia, there is a belief that the royal family got its power by divine protection; I won't say all believe in this, but many believe in it; sadly. So what you say has a certain amount of truth to it; but it's not the case all the time. Religion is a card in the hands of rulers since the dawn of time.
To me, Obama and Trump serve the same secular cycle, with Trump drifting in the path of fascism more and more. That's what money do to you if you're not careful, and I don't think Trump was ever careful. Being black alone was an advantage to Obama -made him a little bit humble; maybe?- But eventually, both have the "'merica hell yeah" syndrome, both support dictators in my region, and both have a shitty foreign policy.
I don't believe humanity will ever achieve utopia. Difference is what humanity is all about; brains produce that difference with every bit, even with amount of sugar we put in our morning coffee. Religion might be used as a tranquilizer; an opium for the masses, but give it some time and people will kill each other again.
(September 23, 2017 at 5:13 pm)JackRussell Wrote: It's No True Muslim time at AF.
To him and you; maybe.
To me, it's totally not. I just said it yesterday:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-51114-p...pid1624336
My belief -again-:
Quote:Sura 17, The Quran:
( 13 ) And [for] every person We have imposed his fate upon his neck, and We will produce for him on the Day of Resurrection a record which he will encounter spread open
So it's really up to you to believe or not believe; it's up to you to buy what I say or buy what others say.
But come to me, with this Avengers crap; and I swear I'll do whatever I can to stop you from harming me or harming the ones I love:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-51114-p...pid1624137
It's not about who the real Muslim is. It's about leaving me the hell alone and stop invading my thoughts with threats and missionary propaganda.
