RE: Let us go back to "cold" hard logic."Time"
November 7, 2017 at 11:47 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2017 at 11:57 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(November 6, 2017 at 7:48 am)AFTT47 Wrote:(November 6, 2017 at 1:29 am)Hammy Wrote: Read an earlier post I made on this thread. I already anticipated that tiresome red herring. Science by definition cannot study non-experiential reality i.e. it only tests our experience of time not time itself. Science is phenomenologial not noumenological. You have no idea what I am talking about do you?
I did and it's bullshit.
We may not be able to directly confirm 4-D space-time but we sure as hell can falsify the theory of which it is an integral part. You can't make it go away that easily.
"It's bullshit" is not a compelling argument.
Science deals with phenomena. The experience of time =/= time itself. It would help if you actually knew what science was addressing.
You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you?
I always get the "It's bullshit" response from stupid people who don't understand stuff. It's bullshit as in, it's nonsense, as in, it doesn't make sense to you, as in, it doesn't make sense to you because you can't fucking grasp it and/or are unwilling to research what I'm actually talking about before you spout irrelevant shit about science. We're doing philosophy and logic here. Science deals with what we experience as humans.
Saying that what used to exist but no longer exists still exists or what will exist but doesn't exist yet already exists is just talking utter nonsense. You may as well say square circles are real because science. When science studies that the way we experience what we call "time" appears to be that way when we get into the physics of our experience of reality, that's very different to saying that a square can be a circle which is what you're saying by pretending that science is relevant to the arguments that are being made here. Regardless of what we seem to experience or whatever the science is about it, what existed but no longer exists by definition existed but no longer exists, what doesn't exist yet by definition doesn't exist yet, and to say that all times exist equally at the same time is more nonsense. The entirety of the science about time is wholly compatible with the philosophical notion that time itself is an illusion and all that really exists is the present because science then simply is studying the experience of that illusion. This is all something that you just clearly can't grasp.