(November 18, 2017 at 12:12 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(November 17, 2017 at 11:17 pm)Succubus Wrote: This is a blatant knowing lie. Produce that evidence now! You have the floor. All eyes are upon you.
Not a lie at all. The general consensus amongst historians world wide is that Jesus was a real person who died by crucifixion under punctious pilot, the Roman prefect at the time. I remember even when I went to a public high school, Jesus' was mentioned in our World History book as the man who founded Christianity. His existence is just as much a historical fact as Cleopatra, Julius Caesar, and Mohammed. You can deny it all you want I suppose, but that is not what is widely accepted by people who actually study/investigate history.
Hi!
I won't be a dick, I promise, but let me clarify.
Nearly all New Testament scholars agree that Jesus was a real person.
This is not the same as historians. So when you use the generic term "historians", you are inaccurate and might be called out on it.
Although many historians of a more general nature do accept that he existed and was crucified, but that is becoming more and more widely questioned. And there is certainly no consensus that he founded Christianity at all (and certainly none that he was resurrected or any of the important stuff that would make him the Son of God), as a matter of fact, as it is widely agreed that nothing was written about him until at least 70 years after his death, the widely accepted scholarly theory is that Paul started Christianity.
One of the reasons these facts are often questioned is because New Testament scholars would have a vested interest in finding historical evidence, and their biases are becoming more and more widely recognized.
There is quite a lot of evidence that Mohammad and Cleopatra actually lived, there is actually quite a lack of evidence for Jesus. There is some, I admit, for a wandering Jewish person who was teaching radical religion in the area, as there were a number of Jewish fringe groups at that time.
But even assuming there was a wondering Jewish priest named Jesus who was later crucified does absolutely nothing to prove the accuracy of the other 99% of the claims in the New Testament.
Also as a side note, you said there was historical agreement that the apostles existed? and that is simple not at all true,
Even among biblical scholars, there is a wide division of opinion on this topic.
Hope I wasn't a dick, I tried not to be! Just sharing info.
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