List of reasons to believe God exists?

[Catholic_Lady]

With that beimg said, this is why I don't think morality is subjective to empathy, as many people here claim. Because some folks, such as yourself as an admitted sociopath, don't have it. If morality is built on empathy, how can we really tell a sociopath to not rape (for example) because it is immoral? He can just as easily say "Well, I don't feel sorry for that girl, she means nothing to me, raping her will have 0 negative impact on myself or my community, and im horny... so why should it still be immoral for me to do so?" Its seems logical then that I can't really tell this person that rape is wrong, if my arguments against it is purely subjective empathy. Yet even folks who claim that morality is subjective would still not be ok with that answer from the rapist. Which brings me back to my point #2 - most people still act as though morality is objective even though they claim not to think it is.

1. Most people think/act as though morality is objective.  But 150 years ago, most people thought/acted as though black people were subhuman.  What conclusion can you draw from a bunch of people thinking the same thing?  
2. But again, going back to my OP, what I think we are seeing here, is that you are wishing to have the authority to tell everybody unequivocally "No raping!"  But that authority just doesn't exist.  So you say "what if there's a God, then I have the authority!"  Which is true, but it doesn't make God any more likely.

This probably plays a part in the establishment of religion way back when.  Do as I say!  "No!"  Do as I say or I'll take your stuff.  "I don't have any stuff."  Do as I say or I'll kill you.  "Meh, my life's shit anyways, I'll risk it."  Do as I say...Because God said for me to tell you this, and he said you'll go to hell if you don't.  "Well, I don't want to go to hell!"

1. It was certainly convenient and self gratifying to think a whole other race of people is inferior to yourself. It means you can force them to do your work for you without having to feel bad about it, and you get to feel superior about yourself which always feels good. I do think morality is objective and that we have a basic understanding of right from wrong. But that doesn't mean there aren't other things at play going on in our brains that could silence or override that moral compass. Humans have found excuses to do heinous things when doing so is convenient in some way. In fact, what you said there kind of proves my point: we couldn't have done those horrible things to black people if we hadn't first rationalized that blacks weren't actually human enough. Because intuitively we know that treating humans this way is wrong. And this is exactly what I think is happening right now with abortion, btw, but again... don't want to have that conversation in this thread. Or on these forums for that matter. Not now. But do you see what I mean? We have to tell ourselves they aren't quite human enough in order to justify doing these things to them.   

2. That's not what I meant at all by the post you are responding to above. What I'm showing is that the notion of subjective morality doesn't actually work in practice. A person can believe all they want that morality is subjective and that there isn't any real right and wrong, or good and evil. And yet they certainly don't act like it when they hear about someone being murdered or raped. Or even when they hear Trump spewing his BS for that matter. They act as though these people are objectively wrong and bad, not that they are merely people who just happen to have a different "opinion." I was trying to show that morality is a much deeper and more real thing than a subjective personal opinion.