RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 9, 2017 at 10:46 am
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2017 at 10:48 am by Jehanne.)
(December 9, 2017 at 3:24 am)bennyboy Wrote:(December 8, 2017 at 10:17 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It's not in the latest Catechism (2nd edition, by the way), but that's slated for a revision here soon (next century?), with Francis' new "dogma" of the divorced and civilly remarried receiving the "Blessed Sacrament".
It's almost like they are just making shit up as they go along. Go figure.
The term that secularists use for that is called "religion".
(December 9, 2017 at 9:56 am)SteveII Wrote:(December 8, 2017 at 7:46 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Something isn't any less objective just because subjective agents are capable of finding a place to insert their subjectivity. I've been trying to explain this to you for some time now. Nor would an objective system always provide full or complete answers to any question. It could only provide as much as there were relevant facts available...and if relevant facts are missing..well..that's that.
I understand your position. Your moral system produces some level of objective morality on most questions because most questions have some objectively knowable fact of the matter.
Quote:Moral realism isn't a magic bullet that provides a curt answer to every moral question with no ambiguity, absolutely and in every scenario regardless of circumstance - it can;t while simultaneously satisfying the defining criteria of an objective moral system. Though, in the case of abortion, at least in my assessment, there is no ambiguity. All relevant facts considered, it would be morally and legally abhorrent to sentence women to childbirth. Full stop.
Setting aside that you use pejorative language to make you position appear stronger, you are completely wrong there is no ambiguity--even under your system. At the most, you have explicitly denied any rights or value to the child and at the least you have given preference to the mothers desires over the rights or value of the child. This is totally subjective.
(December 8, 2017 at 7:59 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I do understand, btw, Steve, that you think that killing a fetus is morally abhorrent...but you're not killing them, nor are you complicit in killing them..and all that will or can be achieved by you (or I) sticking our noses in business that is emphatically not ours..is to make the whole situation shittier.
Tell me, as a moral realist..what's worse. A shitty situation..or one which, by your own actions..you've made even shittier?
You are literally saying that this issue is entirely subjective. Thank you.
Oh, yeah, like it is "subjective" to say that the State should have control over my hands and what I can do with those hands with respect to my own body.