(December 9, 2017 at 3:48 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(December 9, 2017 at 12:32 pm)wallym Wrote: The problem with introducing anything that doesn't exist in reality into reality, is that it means we're talking about a new hypothetical reality. And the nature of a hypothetical reality can't be known. In a hypothetical reality, do things follow logically? You can't know that they do. So even an ironclad proof formed with the logic in our reality can't say anything about the nature of a hypothetical reality.You can always use hypothetical possible worlds to prove things.
So in a hypothetical reality with a Creator, there are no premises for us to build arguments on.
It's the same reason, as an Atheist, I no longer make arguments that try to point out contradictions in the nature of a hypothetical God. Because those contradictions exist according to logic and understanding of our reality. But a hypothetical God doesn't exist in our reality. It's like saying Harry Potter can't fly because of Gravity.
I disagree for the reasons I said. Nothing about a reality that is not our own can be assumed. That's the whole point of God in the first place. To have a being that doesn't play by the rules we observe in our reality to explain things we couldn't otherwise explain. So you're free to make up whatever you want and there's no way to argue for it being true or false, because we don't have access to the hypothetical reality.
We can speculate for fun. We can try to apply the rules of our own reality to the hypothetical reality. But that doesn't meet any standards of proof. It's just guessing.