(May 13, 2018 at 7:57 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Too bad you are degrading 75 percent of America which identify as Christian including many scientists, engineers, and mathematicians.
I think a distinction is required here.
When you say some 75% of Americans identify as Christian, it doesn't mean that those 75% believe as you do that all life forms were created as they pretty much are nowadays.
Most Christians accept Genesis as allegorical. Yes, God created everything... but everything was created in such a way as to then spark the generation of Galaxies, Stars, Solar Systems, Planets, Earth, Water, proto-life, Bacterial Life, multicellular life, plants, animals, humans.
Most Christians accept that God's act of creation was perfect from the start.
They accept that Adam & Eve are also allegorical, representing mankind's thirst for knowledge which led them to abandon god.
"The fall", as you call it, is something that would have happened long before the Bible was written, but, in evolutionary terms and in geological terms, only a blink of an eye in the past.
You may recall one of my first posts to you mentioned that you were making your god be incompetent in it's inability to do things right in a single act of creation.
Also, what do you consider god to be?... Have you read anything about Aristotle and Aquinas?
Here, you can start with these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics_(Aristotle)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomism
(May 13, 2018 at 9:41 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I am facing the group mind in here. Atheists surrounded by other atheists with the hive mind. It is really difficult to get through to such a group.
Have you ever seen what happens to an atheist in a religious forum?
How about an atheist at home with the religious family?
How about places of pilgrimage? Lourdes? Fátima? Hive mind seems like an inadequate concept, considering the huge number of people in there...
(May 13, 2018 at 9:18 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I understand socialism and as a form of government, it sucks. Good thing I live in a constitutional republic, as jacked as it is right now.
Some like it.
I live in one such country and I would never trade it for whatever it is that you have in the States.
It's easy to claim that what you know well is the best, especially if you know next to nothing about the alternatives.
But it is easy for most other countries in the world to measure up to the States, given that they do tend to show us all how things work in there.
The public school system? Has its good parts, but is shown to all to be a popularity contest, a breeding ground for frustrated kids with access to guns. Yes, kids all over the world are cruel to one another, but being popular, or not popular was never even an issue. Funding of the school system is also a constant source of problems, but somehow it works. Here, the curricula are defined by the Education Ministry and the schools only need to follow that... there is no way that any non-scientific ideas can creep into the science curriculum. But there?... it seems to be always in the news - States' governing bodies mandating that creationism be taught as science?!
Health care is another hot topic. In the UK, everyone gets access to the NHS for free. In my country, we need to pay a small fee to see a doctor, but it's something like 5€, something everyone can afford, if they need it, but it's enough to discourage hypochondriacs and lonely people from clogging up the service. In the States, as far as I can tell, you get service if it's an emergency.... if not, you need insurance to cover it, or else the cost is prohibitive for most people. And, if you need extended care, you're pretty much screwed, over there. But that seems to be the mantra of the Republican party: be healthy and strong to work and earn your pay while the boss gets richer and richer at your expense. Everyone else is screwed.