RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 31, 2011 at 12:03 am
(This post was last modified: October 31, 2011 at 12:07 am by lucent.)
(October 30, 2011 at 7:56 am)Zen Badger Wrote: So he still allows people to kill each other even though he hasn't decided that it is their time to die. What is the difference between what I said and what you said?
Okay, I am going to try this one more time.
God gives man the choice to do good or evil. So, He allows people to make choices which violate His laws for the sake of free will. He also brings judgement and may decide to recall someone for the evil they've done. Generally He is patient, not wanting anyone to be condemned. Lets say you got stabbed and left for dead. Help is 10 minutes away and its serious. God could at that time call you up, or He could keep your spirit there until help arrived.
Does this mean God is responsible for your death? No, because by having transgressed His laws you put your life in His hands. The penalty for sin is death and it is up to God when He wants to enforce it.
(October 30, 2011 at 11:01 pm)IATIA Wrote: So, this god of yours lets things happen in spite of it's distaste or lack of approval and does nothing for fear of compromising free will. Then this god does nothing and has no purpose and it would make no difference whether or not it existed.
It's not a fear He has, it is a patience He has. He could at any time bring judgement against sinners.
(October 30, 2011 at 10:11 am)Rhythm Wrote: I'd argue that faced with such a petty despot as your god it becomes even more important to have a freewill to exercise, your god needs to be called on his bullshit. That takes will.
Sure, that's all well and good because none of us know what kind of life you've lived..but God knows all of it. Do you think perhaps you might be the one who had something to answer for?
