(June 21, 2018 at 9:32 am)mh.brewer Wrote:(June 21, 2018 at 8:13 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: You should know me well enough by now to know that I’m happy to be corrected on any factual errors that my positions are based upon. Were they not implementing a “zero tolerance” policy on everyone crossing the border, including migrants with children in tow? Were they not using cruelty as s deterrent?
I'm not convinced that "ALL cases" were a form of punishment and are more likely the result of bad application of a law/directive. I don't agree with the zero tolerance policy or it's apparent blanket application. Zero tolerance is stupid in almost any setting/condition/circumstance.
From what I've read not everyone(ALL) was/were separated(one example): https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/c...ed-parents
As for cruelty as a deterrent, I'm not convinced that was the motive but a resulting outcome. And couldn't the "cruelty deterrent" point of view be applied to any illegal immigrant turned away, adult and child alike, claiming conditions of poverty, death threats, starvation, persecution............? I think there will always be some level of cruelty with regard to immigration. Most I will have sympathy for, some not.
My understanding, is that if they applied for asylum at the port of entry, then it was not the case, that they where separated and the adults arrested. What the policy did was enforce existing laws (with zero tolerance however) which required up to 6 months jail time. In which case it is reasonable to separate the children from their parents. While I think that regardless, that the policy needed to be changed, they did really screw up, and promoting it as a deterrent, that kids would be separated. They could have some argument for enforcing the law in matters of illegal activity.
I believe that the new policy will allow for the parents/guardians to be held with the children.
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