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The moral argument, for atheism!
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism!
June 29, 2018 at 10:44 pm
(June 29, 2018 at 10:35 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(June 29, 2018 at 10:31 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Not revealing moral truths is immoral is not self-evident based on your premise. The same way if you set your premise up as god is the source of math who always gives the right answer, then if god says 2+2=5 you can not say he gave the wrong answer! Based on the premise he can not give a wrong answer because he determines how math works.

It's along the lines of a proof by contradiction, but, let's approach it from another angle.  Let's assume that God exists and is morally perfect, the source of all moral truth, how would I, as a human being, come to know that?

How you know god is morally perfect isn't important especially when it comes to your proof. You already establish that if god exists he is morally perfect and the source of morality, so the question is if god is the source of morality, what morality are you using to judge god?
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The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 4:37 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by The Valkyrie - June 29, 2018 at 4:44 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by LadyForCamus - June 29, 2018 at 5:01 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - June 29, 2018 at 5:03 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - June 29, 2018 at 5:08 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by LadyForCamus - June 29, 2018 at 5:13 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - June 29, 2018 at 5:45 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by LadyForCamus - June 29, 2018 at 9:50 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by RoadRunner79 - June 29, 2018 at 4:48 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by The Valkyrie - June 29, 2018 at 5:06 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by RoadRunner79 - June 29, 2018 at 5:12 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Minimalist - July 1, 2018 at 3:38 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by CapnAwesome - July 3, 2018 at 3:58 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - July 3, 2018 at 5:58 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mister Agenda - June 29, 2018 at 4:50 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by RoadRunner79 - June 29, 2018 at 4:54 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mister Agenda - June 29, 2018 at 4:58 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by RoadRunner79 - June 29, 2018 at 5:02 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Ravenshire - June 29, 2018 at 5:54 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Foxaèr - June 29, 2018 at 5:56 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Ravenshire - June 29, 2018 at 6:01 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - June 29, 2018 at 4:52 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - June 29, 2018 at 4:59 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Magilla - June 29, 2018 at 11:06 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - June 29, 2018 at 5:01 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by LadyForCamus - June 29, 2018 at 5:07 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - June 29, 2018 at 5:27 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by LadyForCamus - June 29, 2018 at 5:33 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Brian37 - June 29, 2018 at 5:11 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by SteveII - June 29, 2018 at 5:41 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Foxaèr - June 29, 2018 at 5:43 pm
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - June 29, 2018 at 6:04 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 6:38 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 6:39 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 6:45 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 6:48 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Foxaèr - June 29, 2018 at 6:47 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 6:52 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Foxaèr - June 29, 2018 at 6:54 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 6:58 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Foxaèr - June 29, 2018 at 7:00 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 7:02 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Foxaèr - June 29, 2018 at 7:07 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 7:19 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Foxaèr - June 29, 2018 at 7:19 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 7:00 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 6:59 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - June 29, 2018 at 7:24 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 7:33 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 7:51 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 7:55 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 8:08 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by RoadRunner79 - June 29, 2018 at 9:30 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 9:41 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by RoadRunner79 - June 29, 2018 at 10:06 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 10:11 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by RoadRunner79 - June 29, 2018 at 10:17 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 10:23 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 10:31 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 10:35 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 10:44 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 10:46 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 10:50 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 10:56 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 11:01 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 29, 2018 at 11:03 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 11:14 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 30, 2018 at 8:17 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 30, 2018 at 8:54 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Jehanne - June 30, 2018 at 9:45 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 30, 2018 at 11:30 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - June 29, 2018 at 8:03 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 8:31 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Foxaèr - June 29, 2018 at 8:45 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - June 29, 2018 at 8:56 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Mr.wizard - June 29, 2018 at 9:12 pm
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Foxaèr - June 29, 2018 at 7:56 pm
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - June 30, 2018 at 12:14 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by LadyForCamus - June 30, 2018 at 8:05 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by LadyForCamus - July 1, 2018 at 9:16 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 1, 2018 at 9:37 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Brian37 - July 1, 2018 at 9:45 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by LadyForCamus - July 1, 2018 at 10:03 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 1, 2018 at 11:28 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by LadyForCamus - July 1, 2018 at 11:43 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - July 1, 2018 at 12:40 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by LadyForCamus - July 1, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 1, 2018 at 2:19 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - July 1, 2018 at 3:36 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by LadyForCamus - July 1, 2018 at 9:45 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 2, 2018 at 1:26 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by LadyForCamus - July 2, 2018 at 1:42 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - July 3, 2018 at 2:39 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 1, 2018 at 3:41 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - July 1, 2018 at 3:54 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 1, 2018 at 5:07 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - July 1, 2018 at 5:36 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 1, 2018 at 6:59 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by bennyboy - July 1, 2018 at 7:33 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 1, 2018 at 7:36 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - July 1, 2018 at 7:58 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - July 1, 2018 at 7:29 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 1, 2018 at 7:31 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 3, 2018 at 2:42 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by Angrboda - July 3, 2018 at 2:49 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 3, 2018 at 2:58 pm
RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by SaStrike - July 3, 2018 at 3:30 pm
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 4, 2018 at 11:27 am
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism! - by MysticKnight - July 4, 2018 at 12:07 pm
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