Does anyone own "The Moral Landscape"?

[robvalue]

The use of the term "wrong" is a value judgement. You can list all the consequences of any action, as you have done, and they are factual.

I should have probably said that a moral system is built to make value judgements. So for example, in a system where harm to individuals and society is considered a negative, then that makes a lot of things "wrong", as per your example. Of course, I subscribe to such a system myself. Someone who builds their system differently may not consider it wrong, even thought the facts are the same.

We've been discussing an entirely abstract idea of morality, where good and bad haven’t been defined at all. I find such a notion useless, which has been my whole argument, but I’m trying to meet middle ground with Vulcan