(December 20, 2018 at 5:23 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:(December 20, 2018 at 3:51 pm)Drich Wrote: the conclusion made are based on his inability to communicate whole ideals.
I somewhat agree with this particular point, as I said in my other post. It is important to note, however, that Nietzsche was himself aware of this. His first major philosophical work, The birth of Tragedy makes this very clear. There he compares two facets of human nature (Apollonian and Dionysian). More recently, a YouTuber renamed them "Moral" and "Aesthetic" qualities, which I rather like. He saw Christian culture and Western philosophy as overly-concerned with "moral" qualities and under-concerned with "aesthetic" ones... hence his contributions focus on the deficit. There's nothing wrong with this approach. In fact, it seems like a good course to take if you want to do real work and make a worthwhile contribution. And Nietzsche periodically admits that he is merely supplying arguments for the under-represented side of things.
I think it's unfair to associate Nietzsche with the Nazis, though. For one, he hated German culture and would have certainly opposed it being held aloft. Second, the Nazi's came AFTER Nietzsche. They distorted his ideas as it suited their needs. He can't be blamed for that any more than the Bible can be blamed when anti-Jewish sentiments in the NT are used to justify bigotry against the Jews. Of course, the Nazis used some of his ideas to justify their evil. So what? They used Christianity the same way, and any other ideology that spoke to their narrative.
I have no idea how you associate Nietzsche with the hippies. That just seems out of left field.
I did not associate nietzsche with either in so far as his ideology spawn a specific group.
I said the hippies and nazis are two polar opposite examples of his failure to communicate his complete philosophy. I said he failed as a philospher because both groups took his observations in two very different directions. How can one man's world view spawn a society of two extremes and yet stem from a common core, unless the nietzsche open a pandora's box by killing God and creating a philosophy that justifies whatever humanity wants to 'moralize.' Maybe he can be identified as the father of popular morality.