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Are you the monster you want to be?
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RE: Are you the monster you want to be?
(January 5, 2019 at 8:09 pm)Belaqua Wrote:
(December 20, 2018 at 5:23 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: There he compares two facets of human nature (Apollonian and Dionysian). More recently, a YouTuber renamed them "Moral" and "Aesthetic" qualities

This seems a bit odd to me. 

The Apollonian faculty is purely aesthetic, in that it creates from the chaos of the world dream images which we need to function. Our perceptions are aesthetically produced by this faculty. I suppose we could say that morals are a part of this production. 

The Dionysian is aesthetic in a different way, since it allows us an honest vision of the chaos which the Apollonian conceals. It isn't quite direct, though, as the only way we can see the chaos and survive is through the eyes of Silenus, the satyr chorus, etc. 

Without making me watch a YouTube, can you clarify what this YouTuber had in mind? Thanks.


I like your assessment. But, at the same time, you seem to say that everything is aesthetic. Apollo offers one purely aesthetic vision and Dionysus another. Where is the real in all that? I assume (as Plato does) that there is a distinguishable reality behind all the appearances-- something upon which the appearances rest. Just like a mask creates a certain appearance because it is situated in front of a (very real) face, all appearances must be founded upon a (very real) reality--and only thus can they appear real. To know this fundamental reality is the goal. Once one knows "the real," knowledge of appearances becomes superfluous.
The Birth of Tragedy is not really my favorite work by Nietzsche, but here goes my assessment anyway.

As I understand Nietzsche, the Apollonian is our drive to accomplish great things: to improve society, to become moral exemplars, to live to our potential. But, in his opinion, the Apollonian gets too much attention. Sure, our highest goals, our achievements, and our greatest works are an essential part of the human experience. But Dionysus embodies our darker thirsts which must be quenched. He is the sweetness in our forbidden fruit, the darkness upon which our brilliance as a species is cast. A yin to the yang of idealism. A necessary "other half." A hungry and ruthless savage.

To me, Nietzsche sets himself up (in his later works) as a spokesman for the Dionysian (because he feels that Christianity and philosophy are too Appolainian. Might be a bit of interpolation in there, but that's the gist of what I got from the Birth of Tragedy.

I couldn't find the specific YouTube video I was referencing (I only remember the author, ContraPoints), so I guess you're off the hook.

Don't click the box below that says "show content." It's a waste of time. You'll thank me later. 




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Are you the monster you want to be? - by Angrboda - December 18, 2018 at 2:14 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by The Grand Nudger - December 18, 2018 at 2:15 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by onlinebiker - December 18, 2018 at 2:18 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by no one - December 18, 2018 at 2:21 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 18, 2018 at 2:24 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by vulcanlogician - December 18, 2018 at 3:13 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Drich - December 18, 2018 at 4:38 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Angrboda - December 18, 2018 at 4:43 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Drich - December 19, 2018 at 11:28 am
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by vulcanlogician - December 19, 2018 at 3:15 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by T0 Th3 M4X - December 19, 2018 at 3:28 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by vulcanlogician - December 19, 2018 at 3:39 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by T0 Th3 M4X - December 19, 2018 at 4:49 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by vulcanlogician - December 19, 2018 at 5:05 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by T0 Th3 M4X - December 19, 2018 at 5:11 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by ignoramus - December 18, 2018 at 6:13 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 19, 2018 at 11:39 am
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Cod - December 18, 2018 at 6:26 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by ignoramus - December 18, 2018 at 6:48 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by brewer - December 18, 2018 at 7:41 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by DodosAreDead - December 18, 2018 at 10:43 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by ignoramus - December 18, 2018 at 11:01 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Shell B - December 18, 2018 at 11:13 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Rev. Rye - December 18, 2018 at 11:20 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Jackalope - December 18, 2018 at 11:22 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by unsapien - December 18, 2018 at 11:23 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by energizer bunny - December 18, 2018 at 11:41 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by tackattack - December 19, 2018 at 9:57 am
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Grandizer - December 19, 2018 at 12:04 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Angrboda - December 19, 2018 at 12:12 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by vulcanlogician - December 19, 2018 at 4:57 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Drich - December 20, 2018 at 3:51 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by vulcanlogician - December 20, 2018 at 5:23 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Drich - December 21, 2018 at 10:50 am
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Belacqua - January 5, 2019 at 8:09 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by vulcanlogician - January 5, 2019 at 9:12 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Belacqua - January 6, 2019 at 3:22 am
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by vulcanlogician - January 13, 2019 at 12:33 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by T0 Th3 M4X - December 19, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by LastPoet - December 19, 2018 at 3:49 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by GUBU - December 19, 2018 at 5:00 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by The Grand Nudger - December 19, 2018 at 5:03 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 19, 2018 at 5:09 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by The Grand Nudger - December 19, 2018 at 5:15 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by vulcanlogician - December 20, 2018 at 3:47 pm
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by The Grand Nudger - December 28, 2018 at 12:11 am
RE: Are you the monster you want to be? - by T0 Th3 M4X - January 5, 2019 at 4:06 pm

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